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To any Christian apologist: if you knew that if you lied to a person about Christianity then that person would convert and be saved, would you lie to her or him?

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Jagella wrote:
bluethread wrote:...it must be noted that stating something that is not true is not necessarily a lie. A lie requires a certainty that what one is claiming to be true is in fact untrue.
People often make honest mistakes. However, once corrected they know that what they were saying is a falsehood. If they persist in the falsehood, then they are lying. Religious people are often guilty of this kind of dishonesty. We have an example on this thread.
Yes, this is a common human frailty and being a theist does not guarantee that it will not happen. That is why HaTorah commands, (Deut. 19:17) "Do not hate your brother in your heart, but rebuke your neighbor frankly, so that you won't carry sin because of him. "

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Jagella wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: I am not interested in anything more you have to say.
I'll bet!

You won't leave the JWs. I'm not going to waste my time proving something to you that you already know or that you can easily know. For the benefit of other members here who are interested in the truth, they can see for themselves examples of Watchtower misquotations including the deliberate quoting out of context in Life: How Did it Get Here.

I will continue to fight the lie.

I'm not here to debate with links. If you have something you h
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Jagella wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: I am not interested in anything more you have to say.
I'll bet!

You won't leave the JWs. I'm not going to waste my time proving something to you that you already know or that you can easily know. For the benefit of other members here who are interested in the truth, they can see for themselves examples of Watchtower misquotations including the deliberate quoting out of context in Life: How Did it Get Here.

I will continue to fight the lie.

Will that fight include not understanding what an ellipses =>[...] is or where to use it?

Reviewing your link it seems the webmasters are preying on people's ignorance of the very basics in English literary devices, confident that their readership are only semi-literate and would not recognize faulty application of grammatical rules or know if they are thereby being manipulated. I found no evidence of misquoting (except on the part of the website itself which in the first example actually misquoted the Watchtower article adding a word ("Therefore") which was not in the actual sentence quoted). If you claim you did find something in the link to legitimately support your claim, feel free to produce it and argue your case.

Since you failed to use an ellipsis in quoting me in the last line I wrote in post #27, when doing so would have indicated that something had been omitted, I cannot fail to suspect you are not in a position to do so.

Good day,

JW


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https://literarydevices.net/ellipsis/
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JehovahsWitness wrote:Good day,

JW
And good day to you!

Did I need to use ellipses in there somewhere?

For the benefit of the other members here who may not see the alleged improper use of ellipses as an excuse for the Watchtower's dishonesty, here is JW org - Lies, Misquotes and Deception, a fascinating YouTube video proving the JW's lying tactics. It documents how the Watchtower was threatened by a scientist with a libel lawsuit! Bad, bad boys. #-o

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
Monta wrote: The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society ... will lie about the Theory of Evolution in an attempt to disprove it.
Can you provide any evidence to support this accusation?
There's problem with copy/paste, I did not write that.

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Jagella wrote:
Monta wrote:I have known Christians to lie to propagate their faith. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and other creationist groups will lie about the Theory of Evolution in an attempt to disprove it.
That's not me you are quoting someone else.

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