Why did Jesus got baptized by John the Baptist?

[paarsurrey1]

Why did Jesus got baptized by John the Baptist?

John's mission was:
"The Mission of John the Baptist (3:1–20)
At the heart of John's message was the call to a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (v. 3)."
Post 6 by Clownboat: Thu Aug 10, 2017, 2:42 pm

What had Jesus to do with the "call to a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins" of John?.
Jesus was not a sinner. Was he, please?
Regards

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This post was visualized from Post 6 by Clownboat in the thread "Jesus was not a Christian".

[bjs]

Jesus said that he did so “to fulfill all righteousness.� Most people take this to mean that he was setting an example for Christians to follow. Since Jesus is “the Author and Perfecter of our faith� he was showing Christians what they should do.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

I agree with bjs, Jesus baptism was establishing a new model, it signified something different from the Baptism of John. I think there is an account in Acts of some individuals that were baptised according to John's Baptism and they had to get baptised again, indicating that John's baptism was not enough ergo Jesus baptism meant something more.

JW

[bluethread]

The mikvah(baptism) Yeshua was receiving was a "cleansing" in preparation for service as a prophet and rabbi. We see this in the descending of the Ruach HaChedosh upon Him. The mikvah being officiated by Yochannan indicated that He was being initiated into the shul of Yochannan.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 4 by bluethread]

Interesting, so, Jesus had no formal authority as a Rabbi either, since his baptism was not a legitimate one, nor was John the Baptist an acknowledged Rabbi of the church.

He certainly was not a sanctioned part of the church that honored Ruach HaChedosh or the shul of Yochannan.

Interesting, very. Jesus at best is a sensation, at worst a fraud,

That you blue' for insight I would never have even guessed at.

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 4 by bluethread]

Interesting, so, Jesus had no formal authority as a Rabbi either, since his baptism was not a legitimate one, nor was John the Baptist an acknowledged Rabbi of the church.

He certainly was not a sanctioned part of the church that honored Ruach HaChedosh or the shul of Yochannan.

Interesting, very. Jesus at best is a sensation, at worst a fraud,

That you blue' for insight I would never have even guessed at.

There was no "church". HaTorah commands that His people gather together at the moedim(appointed times). Though some moed have instructions regarding what is to be done on them, the weekly Shabbat has very few. So any gathering of Adonai's people is appropriate. There just were not a lot of scrolls to go around. Also, though the priests are presumed to have authority to teach, as Yochannan would have, being the son of a Cohen, prophetic tradition would allow anyone to teach, if he could provide the authorization of a priest, i.e. Yochannan, or direct authority from Adonai, via signs and wonders, and the teaching did not violate HaTorah. That is why Yeshua asked them about where Yochannan got his authority, when they Him about where He got His authority. There is no fraud here. Yeshua was initiated into the shul of Yochannan, was accompanies by signs and wonders, and His teachings did not violate HaTorah.

[dio9]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

I think its because Jesus joined John's group.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 6 by bluethread]

Church, religious body, whatever you call it, John, and therefore Jesus were not sanctioned by anyone other than themselves, and whatever fringe rabble followed them... Your trying to invoke God in the chain, is of course desperate, God can't be shown to empower John.

Which considering, at its height, Jesus' band was an unreliable rag-tag band of dissidents, means that we can dismiss Jesus, via John the Baptist, as nonsense.

Not the conclusion you were hoping for, but the only one available to a student of religion.

Perhaps you don't see:
All those five-dollar Jewish words, people and traditions wouldn't give John or Jesus the time of day.

You have dug so deep that you have struck truth, and the truth can not be Jesus.

[paarsurrey1]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

I think its because Jesus joined John's group.

Is it a confirmation that he belonged to Jews/Judaism a follower of Moses, please?
Regards

[Willum]

[Replying to post 9 by paarsurrey1]

Well, as discussed above, John the B., was an unauthorized fringe part of Judaism, not empowered by the Jewish god.
So, as bluethread pointed out, John the Baptist had no Jewish authority, so his baptism was just water.
Or, confirmation that he belonged to some fringe group of Judaism, aka Christianity.