Why racists are attracted to conservatism and/or socialism.

[DanieltheDragon]

The essential aspect of conservatism is resistance to change. This central point from which many conservative ideologies stem from is the core to why racists are attracted to conservatism.

They don't want things to change. They want things to stay at the status quo. Hence progressivism as antithetical to their goals. So they will internalize conservative ideals to uphold the higher purpose which is to subjugate their opponents. An ends justify the means.

They are not really conservatives, conservative ideologies simply align with what they are trying to accomplish.

On the left of this the attraction to social ideologies would stem from the desire to have the government actively promote their goals. An example here is the NAZI regime, which used a non conservative movement to steer the government and change Germany into a machine that fit their desires. Again ends justify the means.


Conservatives aren't racists socialists aren't racist. Conservatism does not promote racism anymore than socialism does. Racists can be socialist racists can be conservatives.

I point this out because I see a lot of posts from liberal minded people attempting to tar and feather all republicans as racists. This is simply not the case, I will acknowledge why in this country there are racists who flock to the right. It represents an avenue to stem the flow of change. If the tables were turned however like prior to the 60s racists were not part of the Conservative party they were not republicans they were mostly democrats.

[bluethread]

It seems you made a mistake in your quotations as you ommited words from my quote and then it appears you took them as your own?
Which leaves the meaning of your words ambiguous. So I will reiterate my position more clearly

You can't make people treat others equally and the best way to promote equality is through the free market by empowering consumers and businesses.

At the end when I said limited and stayed government intervention I was specifically referring to the end of what you said

Sorry, I should have put in several dots. I left that out because I don't disagree with those things, but disagree with those things as tools to promote equality. The end I was referring to was an open market regardless of equality.

Also, the best way to insure competition and innovation is through equal treatment under the law and open markets

Now this brings me to the only point we actually disagreed on and that is equality.

You don't think people should be treated equally based on their personal merits and demerits? That seems rather an odd position.

Threating people equally based on their personal merits and demerits is an oxymoron. More later, out of time.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 7 by DanieltheDragon]

Hey if we agree that it's not conservatism then please do ignore my post. Socialism however is about creating newer and ever newer groupings of people as a means of identifying with each other. As such it makes sense that racists are socialists.

[JP Cusick]

Socialism however is about creating newer and ever newer groupings of people as a means of identifying with each other. As such it makes sense that racists are socialists.

The USA has been against Communism and Socialism precisely because they promoted racial equality, and the Americans in power wanted to keep the racial superiority provided by the Capitalist system.

The true point in the "McCarthy era" was in calling Americans as "Communist" then that was white code wording for wanting the race mixing.

Communism or Socialism gives equality to all workers regardless of race or gender or any aspect because a worker is just a worker.

In the USA we demanded racial differences, and the racial divide is still today the primary motivator denouncing Socialism.

The system of Capitalism is built on the economic system of the slave Plantations, where the bottom level does all the work and the upper crust gets all of the profits.

The claim that racist are Socialists is complete nonsense, because Capitalism is the racist system of greed and exploitation.

[Wootah]

[Replying to JP Cusick]

I think capitalism is a tainted word. I prefer the word free markets.

Apart from that I don't think your history is correct. There is a good youtube video by Stephan Molyneux on McCarthy.

Capitalists really don't care about race but money. The only thing really holding together multicultural societies is our ability to pursue our own economic interests.

Also look to Venezuela for the latest horrors of socialism.

[help3434]

[Replying to post 13 by JP Cusick]

So the left is "far worse" about racism than the conservative right, but socialism is anti-racist and capitalism promotes racism? I don't get it. Your posts seem to contradict each other.

[JP Cusick]

Capitalists really don't care about race but money.

Yeah - so long as you view Capitalist as mindless robots then that might be true.

But view Capitalist as the people who feel entitled to rule the entire planet earth and to exploit every sector for their own greed, then they still have time for their racism and nationalism along with their egotistical desires for power and conquest - then they care.

The only thing really holding together multicultural societies is our ability to pursue our own economic interests.

That is a horrible attitude, and I do not see that as true.

The bonds that hold multicultural societies are such things as shared religious values and interactions between families, along with a responsive local government.

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So the left is "far worse" about racism than the conservative right, but socialism is anti-racist and capitalism promotes racism? I don't get it. Your posts seem to contradict each other.

That is just my own judgment so it is not written in stone.

The Left pushes abortions including the Planned Parenthood group that targets minority and black babies, so it is hard to get more racist then the mass murder of people based on their dark skin color as promoted by the Left.

The Left has some pull to Socialism as in Bernie Sanders but even Bernie makes it clear that he does not mean a pure or traditional form of Socialism.

The conservative Right has no outstanding racist position that I know of.

I do know that the Right trying to stop illegal immigration is claimed to be racist, but the reality is that the resistance of illegal immigration is based on the "terrorism" in that they are afraid of terrorist and so stopping the illegal immigration is just trying to sooth their fear.

I agree that there is a taint of racism in the fight against illegal immigration, but the almighty fear is far more dominant than is the racism. IMO.

[help3434]

[Replying to post 16 by JP Cusick]

So the left is racist... because they want abortion to be legal? I don't see how giving black woman (and every other type of woman that gets pregnant) the right to choose is racist.

[bluethread]

You don't think people should be treated equally based on their personal merits and demerits? That seems rather an odd position.

Threating people equally based on their personal merits and demerits is an oxymoron. More later, out of time.

Sorry, I'm back. If one is taking merits and demerits into account, one is not treating people equally. The question is what are the proper merits and demerits one should take into account. I submit that that is dependent on what one is judging. If one is screening for sickle cell anemia, one would take tribal African descent into account. If one were screening for melanoma northern European descent would come into play. One needs to focus one the individual and the nature of the treatment. In fact, statistical analysis, something scientific humanist value quite highly, is nothing more than profiling. So, if one is an egalitarian, it would only be reasonable to conclude that one could not be in favor of statistical analysis.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

Why are so many mobs, anarchists and loudmouths*, haters attracted to liberalism? (antifah, BLM etc.)

Also, not sure what you mean by "racists attracted to socialism". Unless you mean "National Socialist party" ie Nazis.

But I don't think of Bernie or most of his socialist supporters as "racist".

*(college kids and others shouting down conservatives and not allowing them to speak, bullying, surrounding them, intmidation, banging on their cars, destroying property, throwing bottles of urine etc at police, and so on and so on.... )

But I disagree with your premise. I don't think many actual racists (skinheads, neo-Nazis, KKK, and other white supremacists) vote at all...and those that do comprise only a small, outcast minority of conservative voters.