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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:53 pm  Scientifc accuracy in the Scriptures. Reply with quote

Based on the concept of omniscience, many claim the plain language of the Scriptures should be scientifically accurate. So, if there were a verse that said that the Sun is the center of the solar system, would that make it acceptable on that basis?
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Based on the concept of omniscience, many claim the plain language of the Scriptures should be scientifically accurate. So, if there were a verse that said that the Sun is the center of the solar system, would that make it acceptable on that basis?


Firstly, the argument seems moot. There are no such scriptures.

Secondly, if there was, but it could be shown scientifically that it got some other facts wrong, it would be disqualified as being divine revelation.

Thirdly, scientific accuracy does not prove divine authorship. Scientific innacuracy disproves divine authorship.

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If it could be shown that Sumerian precursors hadn't made it common knowledge, yes...


The initial source of the assertion is not really the question. The question is, if the Scriptures plainly stated that the sun was the center of the solar system and the planets orbit the sun, would that statement meet the requirement that a revelation from a deity be scientifically accurate?


The question is, if the Scriptures plainly stated that water was wet, would that statement meet the requirement that a revelation from a deity be scientifically accurate?

I hope this clears up any confusion. The claim that water is wet would not count, because revelation from a deity would not be required for that knowledge to be possessed. Likewise, if knowledge that the sun was at the center of the solar system was common knowledge to the Sumerians, such knowledge could not be claimed to be revelation by a deity.

Now, of course, if such knowledge was NOT common knowledge, and such knowledge was clearly and unambiguously described, that would be a different thing.

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Based on the concept of omniscience, many claim the plain language of the Scriptures should be scientifically accurate. So, if there were a verse that said that the Sun is the center of the solar system, would that make it acceptable on that basis?


That statement would be scientifically accurate, and therefore that verse would be scientifically accurate.

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Interpretation of Genesis Ch 11

Due to the fact that I (the author of the bible) had never even seen another human being in all my time on the earth and that it couldn’t be possible there were more than two people created in the beginning (I’m the one who wrote the story about the garden and I’m never wrong), I think god must have realized how divine my writings were and confused the languages. If he didn’t, my writings probably would have made people smart enough to reach heaven and overthrow god (this guy didn’t blaspheme).
So he divided the people into different nationalities - I’m guessing when god made adam and eve skins in the garden that’s what he was talking about - then scattered them all over the earth. He probably used the same whirlwind he’ll use to take elijah to heaven. Strange I thought it might be called babel for another reason. Babel, bible, abel.

other words and meanings decoded; Moses in the basket -
moses-basket noah - ark david - ark of the covenant jonah - belly of the whale
tents - things people lived in because they didn’t know how to build houses; **and Noah began to be a farmer, and he planted a vineyard. 21 Then he drank of the wine and was drunk, and became uncovered in his tent.** uncovered - the true symbolism of the character revealed; cubits - measurements
people used to describe objects with flat bottoms and sides; bark - how people built boats without tools;
the devil - everything when you’re like me and want to defeat god so you can destroy everything blasphemy - the serpent tricking adam and eve in the garden of eden; the serpent - what adam and eve unknowingly called god; god - what the people unknowingly call themselves ; skins god made for adam and eve; things snakes can shed but humans can’t; given to us in the beginning, not later when he confused the languages; eastward where the garden was - Jordan (jordan, garden) and probably as far as they could walk to escape the desert; noah was moses; river - one of the things flowing out of the garden, what noah thought he was crossing; ocean - what noah was really crossing; basket is to casket as river is to ocean; jonah (noah, jesus, all people) after death; burning bush - Moses (noah) when he realized he hadn’t heard from god; The great abyss the devil will be thrown into in Revelation - that thing that used to be where the ocean is now, which the author of the bible tried to cover up with fire and brimstone from Sodom and Gomorrah. Before that the world was flat and it hadn’t rained and you could just fall off; fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah for people trying to sleep with angels - volcano eruption after a child of god died so there would be no problem they were defiled by our existence. the bottomless pit - where we go when we ide; since man is matter he must be resurrected in the destruction of the world; when we die we cease to exist, thus the phrase “bottomless pit”. there will be no time because we don’t exist and in the same instant will be resurrected with all people that have ever existed at the same time; fire, ice, metal - all the things that can cause pain and our physical selves will be resurrected to exist in eternal judgement, not just fire. if we can feel pain and live here, we should be able to live and feel unlimited pain later ; the two false and true witnesses (meaning true as in physical, false as in symbolic) . . the two lamp stands - moses and elijah; moses is the burning bush representing fire and also water; elijah represents the earth and wind and that fire is not the only source of unlimited pain. The two olive trees are the apple tree and the olive tree. The apple tree in the garden of eden was very likely a fantasy as the direct result of living in the desert where the olive tree grew. It symbolized early man's attempt to find something better. Many times vowels are used at the beginning of a word describing something non physical, an idea. The olive tree was probably given the name incorrectly by someone, although it isn't a real fruit. There are many possible answers; the sun ☀ and moon may be the real witnesses. The bible describes Enoch and Enosh. If the genealogy of adam was just a bunch of numbers and symbols that couldn't be interpreted correctly, it could have been an astronomy log. Enosh could be revolutions but it would have been thought the sun was revolving around us. And Enoch would be moon.

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. . Listen I'm not going to sit here and let you insult me and my posts because you have a fake perverted religion. You come off with your snide remarks and say my posts are stupid. Your god is fake and sick like your beliefs and your ideas are basically the same as everyone on the earth - act like an immoral pig and god will forgive you. And how do you and these people protect their families and children; they war and kill at the expense of others and the 10% or whatever percent doesn't live you ignore that. And that's not including the people who live probably avg 50%-80% of total lifespan. So you with your fake protecting children religion when all you're protecting is yours and others rights to do the opposite of protecting.
If your god is the real god bring him out. You can't because he's made up. So don't tell me my posts and beliefs are dumb unless your willing to defend it with your life, since you and about everyone else is gambling with my life every day without my permission. My life is ruined by people like you. I've been busted so many times for so many things. I bet 10 times alone for people claiming I was touching their kids or trying to. It's like I have a sign on my back that says chicken and everyone is after me. I can't just say they were after me because they thought I was a chicken because they're killing each other too. What I can say is you and people are crazy perverts that aren't trying to protect people your trying to sneak up on people. Grow up and realize the whole bible is a lie.

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So I'll try to get this question in before... well, we all know what's going to happen.

But sorcerer, what is the highest level of scientific education you have received? And what would you rate your scientific literacy as? Preferably on a scale of 1 to 10, if you feel like arbitrarily quantifying it.

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Kenisaw wrote:

bluethread wrote:

Based on the concept of omniscience, many claim the plain language of the Scriptures should be scientifically accurate. So, if there were a verse that said that the Sun is the center of the solar system, would that make it acceptable on that basis?


That statement would be scientifically accurate, and therefore that verse would be scientifically accurate.


Thank you. It is good to see there is someone who knows how to answer a direct question. Now, let me ask why you accept this as scientifically accurate, since scientifically there is no precise center of the solar system? Every planet orbits a different point, none of which are static, but constantly in motion due to the various competing gravitational forces in the solar system. Admittedly, most of those moving points remain within the diameter of the sun. However, the point orbited by Jupiter is some 46,000 km beyond the surface of the sun. So, if one where a scientist on Jupiter, it could be said that, along with Jupiter, the sun orbits that point. Wouldn't that disqualify the OP statement, in the same way that other scientific inaccuracies are seen as something someone with perfect knowledge would not say?

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bluethread wrote:

Based on the concept of omniscience, many claim the plain language of the Scriptures should be scientifically accurate. So, if there were a verse that said that the Sun is the center of the solar system, would that make it acceptable on that basis?


That statement would be scientifically accurate, and therefore that verse would be scientifically accurate.


Thank you. It is good to see there is someone who knows how to answer a direct question. Now, let me ask why you accept this as scientifically accurate, since scientifically there is no precise center of the solar system? Every planet orbits a different point, none of which are static, but constantly in motion due to the various competing gravitational forces in the solar system. Admittedly, most of those moving points remain within the diameter of the sun. However, the point orbited by Jupiter is some 46,000 km beyond the surface of the sun. So, if one where a scientist on Jupiter, it could be said that, along with Jupiter, the sun orbits that point. Wouldn't that disqualify the OP statement, in the same way that other scientific inaccuracies are seen as something someone with perfect knowledge would not say?



Does it feel good to demand direct answers to questions that are obviously traps? Do you get any amount of pleasure from blatant subterfuge? Do you consider what you just did to be intellectually honest, charitable, or good-natured?

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Does it feel good to demand direct answers to questions that are obviously traps? Do you get any amount of pleasure from blatant subterfuge? Do you consider what you just did to be intellectually honest, charitable, or good-natured?


Oh, so asking if a particular statement meets the criteria of scientific accuracy, in a forum where scientific accuracy is a litmus test for whether something is the communication of a superior knowledge, is subterfuge? Everyone here was free to point out that the statement was not scientifically accurate and, therefore, not what a superior intellect would communicate, as they have before. However, rather than that, with the exception of Kenisaw, this thread so far is full of attempts to answer anticipated questions not under consideration. So, do you agree with Kenisaw's statement or not. If so, why so? If not, why not?

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