What does politics have to do with Religion?

[paarsurrey1]

Religion has got nothing to do essentially with Politics.
Religion is for solving the ethical, moral and spiritual issue of the humanity. Right, please?
What politics did Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus and Socrates etc play?
Regards

[Neatras]

For what it's worth, when you believe currying favor with a deity is tied to cultural health, economic prosperity, etc. you'll try to form parties with enough influence to get the population to curry favor along with you.

This is how ancient Greek civilizations operated. They would often have entire cities whose dedicated patron deity was one of the pantheon; this wasn't due to specific love or affection for the deity. It was seen as a strategic way of dividing up the labor of trying to appease a whole menagerie of imagined god concepts, from Athena to Poseidon to Aphrodite. Why bother worshiping every single god, when you can live in a town that makes offerings to Poseidon, while knowing your neighboring city will take care of Zeus?

The problem is that there are deities which demand worship. And the worshipers try and compel others to worship by political or even violent force. It's no wonder then, that these zealots try to stick their hand into politics.

[McCulloch]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

I can understand why you left out Mohammed.

[paarsurrey1]

Religion has got nothing to do essentially with Politics.
Religion is for solving the ethical, moral and spiritual issue of the humanity. Right, please?
What politics did Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus and Socrates etc play?
Regards

For what it's worth, when you believe currying favor with a deity is tied to cultural health, economic prosperity, etc. you'll try to form parties with enough influence to get the population to curry favor along with you.

This is how ancient Greek civilizations operated. They would often have entire cities whose dedicated patron deity was one of the pantheon; this wasn't due to specific love or affection for the deity. It was seen as a strategic way of dividing up the labor of trying to appease a whole menagerie of imagined god concepts, from Athena to Poseidon to Aphrodite. Why bother worshiping every single god, when you can live in a town that makes offerings to Poseidon, while knowing your neighboring city will take care of Zeus?

The problem is that there are deities which demand worship. And the worshipers try and compel others to worship by political or even violent force. It's no wonder then, that these zealots try to stick their hand into politics.

What politics did Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus and Socrates etc play?

Please prove one's view point from the founders of great religions mentioned above.
Regards

[bluethread]

Religion is the set of prescribed behaviors that follow from a philosophy, general used to refer to theistic philosophies. Politics is the process of establishing a set of behaviors that are acceptable for a particular population. Therefore, politics is the means by which the people seek to establish a set of behaviors, i.e. religion, for a particular population that follow from their preferred philosophy.

[paarsurrey1]

Religion is the set of prescribed behaviors that follow from a philosophy, general used to refer to theistic philosophies. Politics is the process of establishing a set of behaviors that are acceptable for a particular population. Therefore, politics is the means by which the people seek to establish a set of behaviors, i.e. religion, for a particular population that follow from their preferred philosophy.

I don't agree with one. An individual following the truthful religion is not doing any politics. Right, please?
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[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

I can understand why you left out Mohammed.

The word "Sharia" comes to mind.

[JP Cusick]

Religion has got nothing to do essentially with Politics.
Religion is for solving the ethical, moral and spiritual issue of the humanity. Right, please?
What politics did Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus and Socrates etc play?
Regards

I can understand why you left out Mohammed.

I see religion as so close to politics that if politics were done correctly then the two words would rightly be synonyms.

Politics and religion are indeed the same thing, and each one breaks down as either tries to separate itself.

Politics without religion can not stand very long, and religion without politics is a worthless endeavor.

My view of Muhammad and of Islam is that they do rightfully connect politics and religion, and so they set the right example for others to see.

For any commandment or doctrine - as like do not lie, do not murder, do not steal, etc - then they apply to government just as to individuals.

[paarsurrey1]

Religion has got nothing to do essentially with Politics.
Religion is for solving the ethical, moral and spiritual issue of the humanity. Right, please?
What politics did Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus and Socrates etc play?
Regards

I can understand why you left out Mohammed.

I see religion as so close to politics that if politics were done correctly then the two words would rightly be synonyms.

Politics and religion are indeed the same thing, and each one breaks down as either tries to separate itself.

Politics without religion can not stand very long, and religion without politics is a worthless endeavor.

My view of Muhammad and of Islam is that they do rightfully connect politics and religion, and so they set the right example for others to see.

For any commandment or doctrine - as like do not lie, do not murder, do not steal, etc - then they apply to government just as to individuals.

My view of Muhammad and of Islam is that they do rightfully connect politics and religion, and so they set the right example for others to see.

Politics is done to gain power in a land. Muhammad never had any ambition or mission to gain power. The Meccans voluntarily were ready to make Muhammad a ruler, but Muhammad refused to accept this offer.

Religion is for solving the ethical, moral and spiritual issue of the humanity.
Muhammad was appointed a messenger/prophet by One-True-God, with a clear message from Him, that was essential for solving ethical, moral and spiritual issues of humanity, like other founders of other great religions, namely Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus, and Socrates etc. Right, please?
Regards

[JP Cusick]

Politics is done to gain power in a land. Muhammad never had any ambition or mission to gain power. The Meccans voluntarily were ready to make Muhammad a ruler, but Muhammad refused to accept this offer.

Religion is for solving the ethical, moral and spiritual issue of the humanity.
Muhammad was appointed a messenger/prophet by One-True-God, with a clear message from Him, that was essential for solving ethical, moral and spiritual issues of humanity, like other founders of other great religions, namely Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus, and Socrates etc. Right, please?
Regards

I was not really trying to say that Muhammad his-self ever tried to be the ruler, but the religion that he started = the religion of Islam has always viewed religion and government as connected.

The best of government needs to a Theocracy or closely aligned with the Theocracy, but of course it needs to be done right.

The Bible tells about a coming Kingdom of God on earth as it is in Heaven = and that Kingdom is a Theocracy, or government of God.

The USA made an ignorant mistake in its first Amendment by demanding the separation of church from State, because that was the beginning of the vast legalized immorality that we have ongoing today.