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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 1: Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:43 pm
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Did Jesus and or John the Baptist believe in Trinity?

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Did Jesus and or John the Baptist believe in Trinity? Please
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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 2: Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:12 pm
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Re: Did Jesus and or John the Baptist believe in Trinity?

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[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

To add further:
They both were followers of Moses. Not to speak of Trinity, they never uttered Trinity from their mouths.
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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 3: Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:39 pm
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It is further added:
One may go through the whole OT/Torah, one will not find any messengers/prophets believing in Trinity.

Is Trinity an attempt to carve a "Golden Calf" in Jesus' times like they did in the Moses' times, please?

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 4: Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:22 pm
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The concept of the Trinity falls out from trying to understand the Bible. The concept has been around long enough that people that disagree should first be able to understand how others can see it.

Do you understand how the concept of the Trinity arose?

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 5: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:14 pm
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Wootah wrote:

The concept of the Trinity falls out from trying to understand the Bible. The concept has been around long enough that people that disagree should first be able to understand how others can see it.

Do you understand how the concept of the Trinity arose?
Nope, would you care to explain?

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 6: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:37 pm
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Of course but I really want to gauge paarsurry1's knowledge first.

It's pointless from his perspective to attack something if he doesn't understand it.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 7: Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:32 pm
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Wootah wrote:

The concept of the Trinity falls out from trying to understand the Bible. The concept has been around long enough that people that disagree should first be able to understand how others can see it.

Do you understand how the concept of the Trinity arose?


My understanding is:
It started off as other societies* in those times also believed in Trinity, and Paul/Church and their associates wanted to open Pauline Christianity to the gentiles, so to make it more acceptable to them they started it off. Jesus was only for the Jews, it was a mistake of Paul/Church and their associates to start it. Right, please?
* Like Sumeria, Babylonia, Greece, and Egypt.
https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/is-god-a-trinity/how-ancient-trinitarian-gods-influenced-adoption-of-the
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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 8: Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:01 pm
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Yes but that isn't an understanding of the Trinity. For the sake of argument let's assume your last statement is true.

Now, what is the Trinity?

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 9: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:44 pm
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[Replying to post 8 by Wootah]

Also do you think Jesus believed his purpose was to die on the cross?

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 10: Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:14 pm
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Wootah wrote:

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Also do you think Jesus believed his purpose was to die on the cross?


Jesus" purpose was the same as was of Moses to establish that Beni-Israel worship One-True-God truly:
Deuteronomy 6:4
"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

Deuteronomy 6:5
"You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.

Deuteronomy 10:12
"Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
Matthew 22:36
"Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?"

Matthew 22:38
This is the first and greatest commandment.

http://biblehub.com/matthew/22-37.htm

Right, please?

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