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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:54 am  What is God? Reply with quote

What is God?
Is God not beyond definition?
Why do we argue about the existence of that which is beyond definition?
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I understand that the positive verities found in the Universe are attributes of One-True-God.


This is where we differ slightly in understanding. All consciousness, even the negative types, are part of the overall aspects of First Source Consciousness.
Separating GOD from negative aspects of consciousness is unfruitful and most often leads to disunity.

In relation to consciousness within this universe, yes - the positive manifestations of goodness are reflective of the attributes of FSC (One-True-God) and the negative manifestations can be linked to individuate consciousnesses in form which misunderstand this concept by manifesting negative action in the name of any ideas of GOD, or for that matter even in the name of ideas which are founded on the principles of materialism where no GODs are recognized as applicable.

The Dangers of Separating Human Consciousness From Any Idea of GOD

Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness.

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without faith would Thomas Edison have invented the light bulb? No he believed such a thing was possible.

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without faith would Thomas Edison have invented the light bulb? No he believed such a thing was possible.


But the important ingredient was intelligence. Had Micky Mouse believed he could create a nuclear cat deterrent I doubt if his faith would have made much difference. Self-belief, confidence, faith in one's abilities - they matter. Belief in Zeus doesn't help much.

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I am not sure what you mean... Before Christians murdered everyone who didn't believe in the Christian god, the entire civilized world worshiped Zeus.

Faith in Zeus must have mattered for something in those milenia... since Zeus is Zeus-Amon, Amon-Ra, and so, Ra, that is something like a 10,000 year pedigree of faith in Zeus...

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I am not sure what you mean... Before Christians murdered everyone who didn't believe in the Christian god, the entire civilized world worshiped Zeus.

Faith in Zeus must have mattered for something in those milenia... since Zeus is Zeus-Amon, Amon-Ra, and so, Ra, that is something like a 10,000 year pedigree of faith in Zeus...



It perhaps helped people to get to sleep, or convinced them that granddad was in good hands if a bull was slaughtered. That's OK. We were talking about pushing the world inventively forwards, and I was saying that intelligence does that, not superstition. I have a feeling you agree.

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God is present in a particular state of mind heart and will called faith, and faith translates into action . Faith isn't about Mickey Mouse fantasies. Faith is about real people living in a real world pursuing real happiness.

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William wrote:

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I understand that the positive verities found in the Universe are attributes of One-True-God.


This is where we differ slightly in understanding. All consciousness, even the negative types, are part of the overall aspects of First Source Consciousness.
Separating GOD from negative aspects of consciousness is unfruitful and most often leads to disunity.

In relation to consciousness within this universe, yes - the positive manifestations of goodness are reflective of the attributes of FSC (One-True-God) and the negative manifestations can be linked to individuate consciousnesses in form which misunderstand this concept by manifesting negative action in the name of any ideas of GOD, or for that matter even in the name of ideas which are founded on the principles of materialism where no GODs are recognized as applicable.

The Dangers of Separating Human Consciousness From Any Idea of GOD

Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness.


I don't agree with one.
Please clarify, is one's response based on Science or on Revelation from God?
If not, then it is just a conjecture, please.
Regards

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God is present in a particular state of mind heart and will called faith, and faith translates into action . Faith isn't about Mickey Mouse fantasies. Faith is about real people living in a real world pursuing real happiness.



That is all very well but real people pursuing real happiness or experiencing real misery do not find that God offers tangible contributions. I know that many attribute their joys to God and forget any sorrows. That is selective faith.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 119: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:21 am
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dio9 wrote:

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without faith would Thomas Edison have invented the light bulb? No he believed such a thing was possible.


Yes, Edison created the light bulb without faith.
"What made him ultimately successful was that he was not a lone inventor, a lone genius, but rather the assembler of the first research and development team at Menlo Park, N.J."
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2013/03/21/why-thomas-edison-isnt-the-in...

From post 108:
When you said:
"without faith there would be no civilized political or scientific advancement."
Were you going to start presenting actual arguments here on this debate forum?

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 120: Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:24 pm
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without faith there would be no civilized political or scientific advancement.


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without faith there would be no civilized political or scientific advancement


I agree with it as all the steps of the scientific method involve faith into them. Right, please?
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one may like to visit the thread "Doesn't one have faith in Science?">Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Science and Religion

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