So we have moved beyond rationalizations that Satan can't do that, he has free-will, and is supposedly smarter than you.
So Satan asks God for forgiveness.
What happens?
Does all that prophesy go away?
Are those people in Hell forgiven?
Would Satan be forgiven?
So many questions.
Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
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Re: Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
Post #2The Scriptures do not provide sufficient information to properly analyze the relationship between Adonai and HaSatan. Various doctrines speculate on that, but that is just speculation. I would think that if HaSatan were to acknowledge subservience to Adonai, there would then need to be a change in behavior, and restitution would have to be made for the damage done. That latter is what Yom Kipper, which we just recently observed, is all about. The sins of Adonai's people are brought before Adonai and then placed on Azazel, and Azazel is driven out of the presence of Adonai's people. That much is necessary whether there is repentance or not, do to the nature of judgement and repentence. Now, the rest of what is revealed to Yochannan might not occur, just as Nineveh was not destroyed immediately after they repented. However, it must be noted that Nineveh was eventually destroyed some time later.Willum wrote: So we have moved beyond rationalizations that Satan can't do that, he has free-will, and is supposedly smarter than you.
So Satan asks God for forgiveness.
What happens?
Does all that prophesy go away?
Are those people in Hell forgiven?
Would Satan be forgiven?
So many questions.
Re: Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
Post #3Unlike humans, angels are not subject to any covenant by the blood of Jesus. It means that once an angel breaks the law, then he's done.Willum wrote: So we have moved beyond rationalizations that Satan can't do that, he has free-will, and is supposedly smarter than you.
So Satan asks God for forgiveness.
What happens?
Does all that prophesy go away?
Are those people in Hell forgiven?
Would Satan be forgiven?
So many questions.
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Re: Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
Post #41) Why did God set it as such?Hawkins wrote:Unlike humans, angels are not subject to any covenant by the blood of Jesus. It means that once an angel breaks the law, then he's done.Willum wrote: So we have moved beyond rationalizations that Satan can't do that, he has free-will, and is supposedly smarter than you.
So Satan asks God for forgiveness.
What happens?
Does all that prophesy go away?
Are those people in Hell forgiven?
Would Satan be forgiven?
So many questions.
2) Why can't God have Jesus's blood sacrifice cover Satan?
3) If God did number 2, would you disagree with him, say he can't or shouldn't do it?
4) Does this mean the ONLY way for God to forgive literally anything is if that thing is a human and Jesus's blood was shed for it? God can't forgive anything else for anything else unless those two conditions are met?
5) Don't you find what you said strange, almost as though it makes God out to be an unforgiving idiot?
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Re: Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
Post #5Yes...those not under the promise of salvation from their sins are without hope since they are condemned already.Hawkins wrote:Unlike humans, angels are not subject to any covenant by the blood of Jesus. It means that once an angel breaks the law, then he's done.
This OP continues the vain hope that some phrasing of Satans fate can change his fate. Satan cannot change his fate as HE DOES NOT HAVE A FREE WILL since his will is enslaved to the addictive qualities of evil and he can't cure himself.
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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Re: Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
Post #6That's cute and all ted, but out here in the real world, people can and do break addictions all the time with their free will. There are people who are able to quit smoking for example, or stop taking drugs.ttruscott wrote:Yes...those not under the promise of salvation from their sins are without hope since they are condemned already.Hawkins wrote:Unlike humans, angels are not subject to any covenant by the blood of Jesus. It means that once an angel breaks the law, then he's done.
This OP continues the vain hope that some phrasing of Satans fate can change his fate. Satan cannot change his fate as HE DOES NOT HAVE A FREE WILL since his will is enslaved to the addictive qualities of evil and he can't cure himself.
In fact, what does it say about how you view the world that for some reason, once someone becomes an addict, they somehow lose free will?
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Re: Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
Post #7[Replying to post 3 by Hawkins]
Angels had children with mortals, they were called Nephilim, so we have the same blood.
When God seduced Mary, they had a child, so too is our blood the same.
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If Satan turns traitor, it will be both him and God against the wall!
Of course he has free will, if he didn't he wouldn't be evil, he'd be an automaton. If you insist he is intelligent, that means he can make choices.
So let's try this again, Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
'mazing how Christians can neither read the OP, or the Bible.Unlike humans, angels are not subject to any covenant by the blood of Jesus. It means that once an angel breaks the law, then he's done.
Angels had children with mortals, they were called Nephilim, so we have the same blood.
When God seduced Mary, they had a child, so too is our blood the same.
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Are you kidding me!This OP continues the vain hope that some phrasing of Satans fate can change his fate.
If Satan turns traitor, it will be both him and God against the wall!
Of course he has free will, if he didn't he wouldn't be evil, he'd be an automaton. If you insist he is intelligent, that means he can make choices.
So let's try this again, Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
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Re: Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
Post #8And to repeat myself, he had free will until he chose to rebel against YHWH at which time he became enslaved to the addictive quality of evil desires (as he was warned would happen) and his free will became corrupted, clouded and controlled by sin.Willum wrote:Of course he has free will, if he didn't he wouldn't be evil, he'd be an automaton.
No free will doesn't mean you can't choose but only that your choices are constrained to only one side of things and the other options are unable to be chosen. You choose but you always choose badly... The other angels are holy by their free will - they have never chosen to be evil in YHWH's eyes.
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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'mazing how Christians can neither read the OP, or the Bible.
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Re: Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?
Post #10I don’t know what would happen. Bible promises are for humans and by what I know, Satan is not human. But even if Bible promises could be applied to Satan, there is still the point that eternal life is for righteous. Forgiveness is not useful, if person continues in sin. Now that you seem to be representing Satan here, do you know would Satan repent and become faithful/loyal to God and reject sin and his attempts to destroy all good?Willum wrote: So Satan asks God for forgiveness.
What happens?
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
If person continues sin, after the forgiveness, the forgiveness in not useful. Jesus taught that people should repent and become righteous.