I suppose it's possible that some people might enjoy thinking about how dying people might suffer. I don't feel that way, and I don't recall ever hearing about anybody else who felt that way.
Well, that's a decidedly softer tone than before. I see you acknowledge that it is possible, does that mean you accept that I gave you a valid answer? Can I then expect you to retract your "twisted reality" comment?
The best dignity I can think of is to let people know we value them and their lives.
That's all well and good, but you don't see to value their opinion much.
What dignity is there in trashing a person's life like we'd kill a rat or a fly?
Don't know. That's why we don't trash a person's life like we'd kill a rat or a fly.
So now euthanasia saves lives? I never thought of that!
Well, perhaps that is an indicator for you to be thinking more about the topic before wanting to ban it?
Should we train doctors in medical school to kill people? Or should we wait until they're in residency?
They are already trained to do that in medical school, does the phrase "the dose makes the poison" ring any bell? That's why I said it you need not worry about euthanasia draining resources from regular treatment or research.
Yes, I would try to stop a person who is trying to leap to her death or shoot herself. What would you do? Yell "Jump!" or "Shoot!"?
No, I would yell "stop." But my scenario is set at a point after that. The person has already landed/been shot, but hasn't died yet but will soon die without intervention. Would you intervene, given instruction to DNR? You said you are not sure, which undermine everything you said about valuing life above all else.
Have you read anything I've posted?
I've explained that I know of many real-life examples of people who live with pain and adversity. They can do it. I know of very few people who would want such a crazy "right." The few who do just talk about it. I'm very skeptical that they mean it. I think they just want help.
First of all, secret cry for help or not, the fact that people says we want it for ourselves
, as opposed to wanting it for someone else,
is enough to debunk your accusation that support for euthanasia is an "expressions of bigotry dressed up in nice words that are actually a way to rid the world of those society sees as worthless."
Secondly, would the opinions of two medical trained professional, that a person mean what he said about wanting to die, be enough overcome your skepticism?
It's happened before under the Nazis.
No it didn't. What is it with this willful disregard of the issue of consent? Can't conjure up righteous anger unless you conflate euthanasia with systematic murder of the old and disabled?
Either way, this has now become moot since you've confirmed below that you don't care even if one can guarantee no abuse, you still would not support legalized euthanasia.
No. I think euthanasia is a dangerous and stupid not to mention immoral practice.
Well there you go, my accusation stands: Whether euthanasia could be abused to murder old and disable people or not is irrelevant as to whether you would support it either or not - you have presented a red herring. The same could be said for your other reasons. Your entire argument against euthanasia boils down to it is immoral, therefore NO.
Euthanasia supporters tend to offer a simplistic, idealized version of death. In the real world, however, things tend to get much more complicated and a lot messier.
That's the thing, this complicated mess is happening right now with or without euthanasia, and you are standing in the way of make it just that little bit less messy.