Monta wrote:
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Replying to post 50 by Provoker]
"Now this is all my opinion, and it was not taught to me by any denomination. I formed my opinions by reading the bible for the continuous, consistent, logical story which flows through it, from God's revelation of the gospel to Abraham. "
'Out of these stones I can make children of Abraham'.
It appears you are pushing Judaic religion on to Christians.
Hi Monta:
No, I am not pushing any kind of religion. IMO, priest defined religions are always pagan. They exist so that a priesthood makes a living by warning people that there will be hell to pay if they don't pay the priesthood.
The Hebrew religion was pagan. The gospel which God preached to Abraham was
the gospel of the coming great nation which will bless all nations with; on earth peace, good will toward men. That is the everlasting, unconditional, gospel which puts an end to religion for everyone who believes the God of Abraham, and it is the standard for faith in the God of Abraham. If one does not believe God's everlasting gospel promise, he does not have faith in the God who made the promise; the God of Abraham, Jesus, and Paul.
2000 years later, Jesus preached
the gospel of the coming kingdom to backslidden Jews. Jesus was not bringing anything new, because the Jews had already believed, and backslidden from...the gospel of the coming kingdom. You must remember that the great nation became a kingdom before it fell, so in Jesus' day "the resurrection" referred to "the kingdom" rather than "the great nation".
A thousand years after the fall of the kingdom of covenant Israel, God said through angels; "the Christ will be given the kingdom of his father David". God was saying that there will be a resurrection of David's kingdom, and the Christ will become Solomon's successor on the throne of David. When Jesus was crucified, the Roman's mocked him by putting a sarcastic sign on the cross which said; "King of the Jews". IOW, there should be no doubt that the Romans killed Jesus because they believed that his plan was to take back the land of promise from Rome, and re-establish the kingdom of David. John 11: 45-55 says that the chief priests and Pharisees had Jesus killed because they feared that if they didn't, Rome might kill all the Jews. The chief priests and Pharisees were making it clear that Rome had something against Jesus, which was serious enough to get all the Jews killed, but all the Jews would be safe if Jesus was killed. Think about it:-)
This all goes back to God's everlasting gospel promise to Abraham, that a great nation of believers, will bless all nation with peace on earth, good will toward men.
God said that covenant Israel would exist forever, but it fell without achieving everlasting life. That means that covenant Israel must be raised from the dead, and made everlasting somehow. Since it fell because it broke the 10 commandments(God's laws), then after the resurrection God is going to make a new covenant with
Israel, whereby He will write His laws on all the hearts of Israel, so they will do by nature the things contained in God's laws. God's law will be fulfilled and Israel will never break God's laws again. Of course, that means that Israel will go on to become the great everlasting nation it was chosen to become.
Remember, the fall of covenant Israel did not make God's promise any less everlasting.
Christianity began, a thousand years before the name was coined, when Israel fell, and those who remained faithful began to watch and wait for an anointed one(Christ). He will lead them(the Christ corps) to the resurrection of Israel, be given the kingdom of David, and bless all nations with peace on earth good will toward men.
Don't you just love it when everything fits together logically, rather than having to believe stuff which cannot be understood nor explained because it is a mystery?