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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:40 am  The kingdom of God. Reply with quote

Some seem to think it is entirely future, while others give the impression they are always thinking of it as present, and to not be looking at the future in kingdom terms at all.

Jesus had much to say about the kingdom, including this:

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Luke 16:

6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.


So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?

On what basis?

According to which scriptures?
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Well I was talking about the government. Hope that clears that up.

Good day to you,

JW


The kingdom has a government, yes, which presently rules in the midst of its enemies.

That is the "now" I mentioned.

The "not yet" aspect will come when Kitg Jesus returns .

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The "not yet" aspect will come when Kitg Jesus returns .


Yes, I agree Christ hasn't yet returned. When he does he will destroy the wicked, that is called in the bible Harmageddon. Then his government will be the ONLY one that exists! What a joy that will be! just imagine, no more wars, no more worldly "politics" ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and an end to all suffering on this our planet earth.

All thanks to that government!




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Checkpoint wrote:


The "not yet" aspect will come when Kitg Jesus returns .


Yes, I agree Christ hasn't yet returned. When he does he will destroy the wicked, that is called in the bible Harmageddon. Then his government will be the ONLY one that exists! What a joy that will be! just imagine, no more wars, no more worldly "politics" ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and an end to all suffering on this our planet earth.

All thanks to that government!

JW


All of the above.

Come, Lord Jesus!

But in the meantime, the kingdom continues to function and govern, in the world but not of the world, as it as done since Jesus sat down at the right hand of the Father.

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"Thy kingdom, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven"

That right there should tell you his Kingdom is not here yet. Is God's will done here? Yes, he works around our will. But, "our collective will" is still causing war and suffering..so no Kingdom established as ruling yet.


Yes, the kingdom is God's will being done here now in and through the lives of His people in an alien world, and later in its full manifestation when Jesus finally deals with and ends that alien world.

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God's will being done here now in and through the lives of His people in an alien world.


Thank you, yes, we are doing our best to fulfill the commission God has given to us. It is a privilege to comfort people with this message.


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brianbbs67 wrote:

"Thy kingdom, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven"

That right there should tell you his Kingdom is not here yet. Is God's will done here? Yes, he works around our will. But, "our collective will" is still causing war and suffering..so no Kingdom established as ruling yet.


Yes, the kingdom is God's will being done here now in and through the lives of His people in an alien world, and later in its full manifestation when Jesus finally deals with and ends that alien world.



God's will always will be done. He hasn't come and re-established His Kingdom yet, was my point. If so, no strife. I don't know why JW are hung up on the first ww? Doesn't God say , he comes as a thief? No one knows the hour? Anyone who says he does lies?

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God's will always will be done. He hasn't come and re-established His Kingdom yet, was my point. If so, no strife. I don't know why JW are hung up on the first ww? Doesn't God say , he comes as a thief? No one knows the hour? Anyone who says he does lies?



Hello,

I'm one of Jehovah's Witntesses: Just to clarify, we are not "hung up" on the first world war at all. 1914 marks for us the date when the God's Kingdom was established in heaven. We believe the God's Kingdom to be a real government that was established in heaven. Jesus is the king and he has been ruling in heaven since that time.

You are right, we do not know when Jesus will come to take control of the whole planet, killing off the wicked and destroying all human governments so that his own is the only one ruling over the entire planet earth. We simply "keep on the Watch" for the signs Jesus gave for the approach of that "day and hour"!


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS



I'm posting this because this illustration because the picture sums up
how we believe the year 1914 marked the "beginning of the end" for this system of things (I believe it to be relevant to the discussion)

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brianbbs67 wrote:

God's will always will be done. He hasn't come and re-established His Kingdom yet, was my point. If so, no strife. I don't know why JW are hung up on the first ww? Doesn't God say , he comes as a thief? No one knows the hour? Anyone who says he does lies?



Hello,

I'm one of Jehovah's Witntesses: Just to clarify, we are not "hung up" on the first world war at all. 1914 marks for us the date when the God's Kingdom was established in heaven. We believe the God's Kingdom to be a real government that was established in heaven. Jesus is the king and he has been ruling in heaven since that time.

You are right, we do not know when Jesus will come to take control of the whole planet, killing off the wicked and destroying all human governments so that his own is the only one ruling over the entire planet earth. We simply "keep on the Watch" for the signs Jesus gave for the approach of that "day and hour"!


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS



I'm posting this because this illustration because the picture sums up
how we believe the year 1914 marked the "beginning of the end" for this system of things (I believe it to be relevant to the discussion)



I hear you. But , the beginning itself was the beginning of the end. Lots have tried to guess the "Time, Times, And Half a time". No one has. No one will. As God has said.(as i believe He said) I am more concerned with living as He wants me to, than when He comes. Because He is already here(always Is).

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I hear you. But , the beginning itself was the beginning of the end. Lots have tried to guess the "Time, Times, And Half a time". No one has. No one will. As God has said.(as i believe He said) I am more concerned with living as He wants me to, than when He comes. Because He is already here(always Is).





Daniels prophecy were given for a reason and they remain a "mystery" only for those without God's spirit. Both Daniel and Jesus himself gave enough information to identify the "last days" so although it would be possible to calculate when that period would BEGIN it would be impossible to pinpoint exactly the day or hour they would END.

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brianbbs67 wrote:

I hear you. But , the beginning itself was the beginning of the end. Lots have tried to guess the "Time, Times, And Half a time". No one has. No one will. As God has said.(as i believe He said) I am more concerned with living as He wants me to, than when He comes. Because He is already here(always Is).





Daniels prophecy were given for a reason and they remain a "mystery" only for those without God's spirit. Both Daniel and Jesus himself gave enough information to identify the "last days" so although it would be possible to calculate when that period would BEGIN it would be impossible to pinpoint exactly the day or hour they would END.


Well , I know I am not without God's spirit. He has made Himself clear, as He chose. I think you reach to far to decide who has it.

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