Aren't Jehovah's Witnesses people truthful witnesses, please?
1 Corinthians
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God* that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
http://biblehub.com/niv/1_corinthians/15.htm
Jesus did not die on the Cross, he survived, so as per Paul's own argument Pauline-Christianity's "faith is futile". Right, please?
Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments.
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This entails that the Jehovah-Witnesses' people who believe in Paul and the Pauline-Christianity, are false witnesses as long as, and if they have no concrete evidence/s of Jesus, not dying on the Cross.Right, please?
Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments.
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Aren't Jehovah's Witnesses people truthful witnesses?
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Re: Aren't Jehovah's Witnesses people truthful witnesses?
Post #11[Replying to post 10 by Justin108]
"I'm a bit foggy on what Muslims believe, but don't Muslims believe in miracles? Don't they believe in things like Moses parting the Red Sea? Jesus being born of a virgin? Stuff like that? Don't they, please? Is this true, please? Please. Please? Thank you please."
You might have to go to discuss Islam for that.
"I'm a bit foggy on what Muslims believe, but don't Muslims believe in miracles? Don't they believe in things like Moses parting the Red Sea? Jesus being born of a virgin? Stuff like that? Don't they, please? Is this true, please? Please. Please? Thank you please."
You might have to go to discuss Islam for that.
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Post #12[Replying to post 11 by Monta]
I have to agree, I do believe there is a forum to discuss Islam. As the OP pertains to Jehovah's Witnesses I would clarify that we do indeed believe in miracles.
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I have to agree, I do believe there is a forum to discuss Islam. As the OP pertains to Jehovah's Witnesses I would clarify that we do indeed believe in miracles.
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Re: Aren't Jehovah's Witnesses people truthful witnesses?
Post #13Monta wrote: [Replying to post 10 by Justin108]
"I'm a bit foggy on what Muslims believe, but don't Muslims believe in miracles? Don't they believe in things like Moses parting the Red Sea? Jesus being born of a virgin? Stuff like that? Don't they, please? Is this true, please? Please. Please? Thank you please."
You might have to go to discuss Islam for that.
One may like to read the following about miracles in Islam:I'm a bit foggy on what Muslims believe, but don't Muslims believe in miracles?
"Miracles are not seen in Islam as unnatural occurrences, but as natural phenomena that are concealed from human knowledge at a certain period of time. Otherwise, there would be many questions raised against the wisdom of God. If God created the laws of nature Himself, He should have made some provisions whereby without breaking them, He could bring about desired solutions to a problem.
Not all laws are known to man. There are categories of laws working as if in different tiers and on separate planes. Sometimes they are known to man only on one plane and man’s sight is not able to penetrate beyond. As time goes on, man’s knowledge increases and so does the penetration of man’s sight and his capacity to observe such laws as had hitherto remained unperceived.
As science progresses, new discoveries throw more light on such laws which seem to work in groups. So, their function and interaction with other laws is better understood. Those things that appeared to be miracles in the early ages are no longer considered so.
Miracles are so, only in relation to man’s knowledge in a specific period of time. When a special exercise of God’s power is displayed, apparently a law is broken. But it is not so; actually a hidden law was already there and only came into operation through God’s command. The people of that time could not have understood that law, nor had they any control over it. For example, the force of magnetism was not known to man a few thousand years ago."
https://www.alislam.org/library/book/ch ... s-fiction/
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Post #14How do you know resurrection is not one such "hidden law" and that God's command lead to Jesus coming back from the dead?paarsurrey1 wrote: Miracles are so, only in relation to man’s knowledge in a specific period of time. When a special exercise of God’s power is displayed, apparently a law is broken. But it is not so; actually a hidden law was already there and only came into operation through God’s command.
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Post #15It never happened. It is just a fiction. Jesus survived a cursed death against all odds and migrated from Judea, and Jews failed to kill him or crucify him. This the real Miracle Jesus promised to the Jews and it happened exactly. This proved that Jesus was a truthful prophet/messenger of G-d and not a false one. Right, please?Justin108 wrote:How do you know resurrection is not one such "hidden law" and that God's command lead to Jesus coming back from the dead?paarsurrey1 wrote: Miracles are so, only in relation to man’s knowledge in a specific period of time. When a special exercise of God’s power is displayed, apparently a law is broken. But it is not so; actually a hidden law was already there and only came into operation through God’s command.
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Post #16This is your guess, paarsurrey. You live in the 21st century and you can state in such positive terms what happened to Jesus regarding whom we have very little biographical information.paarsurrey1 wrote:
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It never happened. It is just a fiction. Jesus survived a cursed death against all odds .....
Some wonder if he visited England. The poet Blake wrote some lovely verses about the possibility.
And did those feet in ancient time,
Walk upon England's mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
I wonder if this constitutes proof as well.
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Post #17Of course it's not right. Give an example of a miracle that is now explained. What you write is man's simple viewpoint on a religious fiction. Do humans have access to God's library?paarsurrey1 wrote:
Miracles are so, only in relation to man’s knowledge in a specific period of time. When a special exercise of God’s power is displayed, apparently a law is broken. But it is not so; actually a hidden law was already there and only came into operation through God’s command. The people of that time could not have understood that law, nor had they any control over it. For example, the force of magnetism was not known to man a few thousand years ago."
https://www.alislam.org/library/book/ch ... s-fiction/
Right, please?
Muhammad riding on a horse with wings is a miracle -it is also piece of stupidity. Hence miracles and nonsense are very similar.
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Post #18How do you know?paarsurrey1 wrote:It never happened. It is just a fiction.Justin108 wrote:How do you know resurrection is not one such "hidden law" and that God's command lead to Jesus coming back from the dead?paarsurrey1 wrote: Miracles are so, only in relation to man’s knowledge in a specific period of time. When a special exercise of God’s power is displayed, apparently a law is broken. But it is not so; actually a hidden law was already there and only came into operation through God’s command.
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Re: Aren't Jehovah's Witnesses people truthful witnesses?
Post #19How does one know fiction from the real, please?Justin108 wrote:How do you know?paarsurrey1 wrote:It never happened. It is just a fiction.Justin108 wrote:How do you know resurrection is not one such "hidden law" and that God's command lead to Jesus coming back from the dead?paarsurrey1 wrote: Miracles are so, only in relation to man’s knowledge in a specific period of time. When a special exercise of God’s power is displayed, apparently a law is broken. But it is not so; actually a hidden law was already there and only came into operation through God’s command.
Anybody, please
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Post #20Please answer my question please instead of asking another question please? Thank you please. Very much please.paarsurrey1 wrote:How does one know fiction from the real, please?Justin108 wrote:How do you know?paarsurrey1 wrote:It never happened. It is just a fiction.Justin108 wrote:How do you know resurrection is not one such "hidden law" and that God's command lead to Jesus coming back from the dead?paarsurrey1 wrote: Miracles are so, only in relation to man’s knowledge in a specific period of time. When a special exercise of God’s power is displayed, apparently a law is broken. But it is not so; actually a hidden law was already there and only came into operation through God’s command.
Anybody, please
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