What did Paul mean?

[Elijah John]

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped

For debate:

What did Paul mean when he said Christ was "in the form of God"?

-Aren't we all made in the image of God?
-Did Paul believe that Christ was God? Or that Christ was God in disguise?

[onewithhim]

People can be made up by a body, a mind, and a soul... Or made up as blood muscles, and bone... Or limbs, head, and torso

This attack of the 'GOD in three persons' doctrine is considered a heresy by most Christians under the name of Sabellianism or modalism.

What Tart said is spot-on - body mind and soul.
And we are not three persons are we.

In God we have three attributes:
Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

It has been said over and again that Trinity believers say that the Father, Son and H.S. are three separate and distinct persons, not just "attributes.

[bluethread]

Do you agree that if one person has authority over another that they are not EQUAL in authority?

Well, you are biasing the discussion by speaking of one "person" having authority over another. One can say that the brain has authority over the body, however, that does not mean that the brain is a seperate entity. In fact, the majority of the nervous system is dispersed throughout the body. Equality is overrated. It is not an absolute. It is a comparative and is only useful when one is focusing on a very narrow characteristic in a very narrow circumstance.

[onewithhim]

Do you agree that if one person has authority over another that they are not EQUAL in authority?

Well, you are biasing the discussion by speaking of one "person" having authority over another. One can say that the brain has authority over the body, however, that does not mean that the brain is a seperate entity. In fact, the majority of the nervous system is dispersed throughout the body. Equality is overrated. It is not an absolute. It is a comparative and is only useful when one is focusing on a very narrow characteristic in a very narrow circumstance.

The trinitarians (the vast majority of them) say that the Father is one person, Jesus is one person, and the H.S. is one person. That is three PERSONS. Not just attributes of one person.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 51 by onewithhim]

"It has been said over and again that Trinity believers say that the Father, Son and H.S. are three separate and distinct persons, not just "attributes."

Thank goodness I did not jump to accept any over and over.

ATTRIBUTE: attribution, character, characteristic, criterion, differentia, feature, fingerprint, hallmark, mark, marker, note, particularity, peculiarity, point, property, quality, specific, stamp, touch, trait.

Attribute of the Father is Divine Love
Attribute of the Son is Divine Truth/Wisdom
Attribute of the Holy Spirit is Proceeding Divine (into the human mind)

Jesus promised to send the Comforter 'who will take of me'
while He Jesus (Truth) takes from the Father (love).

God is One. So are we as image and likeness.

We have love and affections but can not function without knowledges of facts, truth, information; and the third aspect is putting it to use.

[bluethread]

Do you agree that if one person has authority over another that they are not EQUAL in authority?

Well, you are biasing the discussion by speaking of one "person" having authority over another. One can say that the brain has authority over the body, however, that does not mean that the brain is a seperate entity. In fact, the majority of the nervous system is dispersed throughout the body. Equality is overrated. It is not an absolute. It is a comparative and is only useful when one is focusing on a very narrow characteristic in a very narrow circumstance.

The trinitarians (the vast majority of them) say that the Father is one person, Jesus is one person, and the H.S. is one person. That is three PERSONS. Not just attributes of one person.

OK, that is what Trinitarians say. However, I find the three "person"/one "person" argument a bit too simplistic. I do not think that the nature of Adonai can be adequately distilled into any simple analogy.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 55 by bluethread]

OK, that is what Trinitarians say. However, I find the three "person"/one "person" argument a bit too simplistic. I do not think that the nature of Adonai can be adequately distilled into any simple analogy.

I am curious.

Why have you chosen to use Adonai in particular as the God being discussed?