Did Jesus Dead on the Cross has put an End to God's Law?
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Post #41The Ten Commandments will stay till this Jesus returns for the second time. And the 4th Commandment will stay forever. If you cannot keep it now, you cannot keep it in the new world.Willum wrote: [Replying to post 35 by DPMartin]
But, did he stop the adulterers from being stoned, against God's laws? Yes.
Did he encourage participation in the Pagan-empowered Roman government, whose head, at the time was a foreign demi-god? Yes he did.
Jesus stories are much about saying he follows God's laws, but his actions defy them.
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Post #43Your story of the "adulteress" appears to be an addition. It was not included in the original Aramaic bible.Willum wrote: [Replying to post 35 by DPMartin]
But, did he stop the adulterers from being stoned, against God's laws? Yes.
Did he encourage participation in the Pagan-empowered Roman government, whose head, at the time was a foreign demi-god? Yes he did.
Jesus stories are much about saying he follows God's laws, but his actions defy them.
As far as the pagan Roman government, it was simply a segment of the beast with 7 heads, and was part of the prophecy of God (Daniel 2), whereas they along with the other heads were to crush Judah and Ephraim in judgment (Hosea 5:11).
Yeshua's message was not to take upon oneself the "mark of the beast". As far as rendering to Caesar what is Caesar's, well apparently you live in the era of the 8th head of the beast, and if you are not in jail, you apparently pay your taxes.
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Re: Did Jesus Dead on the Cross has put an End to God's Law?
Post #44These two examples do not support your point. Regarding adultery, the only record we have regarding Yeshua's action in such a case is that of an unlawful trial in which no witnesses came forward. Therefore, even if it had been a lawful trial aquital was the only lawful option. Regarding "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's", He was pointing out that, if one engages in commerce using the coin of the realm, one can not rightly reject the laws of the realm in that regard. That is not a violation of HaTorah. Thanks for playing, try again.Willum wrote: [Replying to post 35 by DPMartin]
But, did he stop the adulterers from being stoned, against God's laws? Yes.
Did he encourage participation in the Pagan-empowered Roman government, whose head, at the time was a foreign demi-god? Yes he did.
Jesus stories are much about saying he follows God's laws, but his actions defy them.
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Post #45His action proves that the Israelites has stop keep God commandments and follow the tradations of men. Just like the world today. They follow men's teaching in place for follow Jesus teachings. And only persons with an open mind can see spiritual effect.Willum wrote: [Replying to post 35 by DPMartin]
But, did he stop the adulterers from being stoned, against God's laws? Yes.
Did he encourage participation in the Pagan-empowered Roman government, whose head, at the time was a foreign demi-god? Yes he did.
Jesus stories are much about saying he follows God's laws, but his actions defy them.
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Post #46so then, from where did you get this idea from ? From Scripture or over the fence ?Tired of the Nonsense wrote:This should probably be moved to the Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma subforum.Pipiripi wrote: The most Christians today believed that this event has happened like, the law is abolished. Is that true? Yes or no first, then your story.
Gods word is very clear on this;
Mat 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before people, so that they may see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven.
Mat 5:17 "Don't think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete.
Mat 5:18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud ( י ) or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened.
Verse 17...
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Post #47This idea come from the people that believed, that Jesus dead on the cross has put an End to God's Law.TripleZ wrote:so then, from where did you get this idea from ? From Scripture or over the fence ?Tired of the Nonsense wrote:This should probably be moved to the Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma subforum.Pipiripi wrote: The most Christians today believed that this event has happened like, the law is abolished. Is that true? Yes or no first, then your story.
Gods word is very clear on this;
Mat 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before people, so that they may see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven.
Mat 5:17 "Don't think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete.
Mat 5:18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud ( י ) or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened.
Verse 17...
Re: Did Jesus Dead on the Cross has put an End to God's Law?
Post #48no,, this abolished the need for blood Sacrifice as Yeshua was the Lamb Of God.NOw we have a NEW testament from God, the " New " replacing the " old ".Pipiripi wrote: The most Christians today believed that this event has happened like, the law is abolished. Is that true? Yes or no first, then your story.
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Post #50most christians you say, well this is supposition from you, no true believing Christian ( a true follower of Yeshua in the rue and proper sense as per Scripture ) believe this..Pipiripi wrote: The most Christians today believed that this event has happened like, the law is abolished. Is that true? Yes or no first, then your story.
Why ? because it is just NOT what Gods word tells us...
Ok, try reading the Bible for yourself, as I am sure you do not believe me and I respect that..
Read here exactly what Yeshua told Israel,, Mat 5:17 "Don't think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. So what else do we need to know then ?