When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)
The traditions of the Jewish Pharisees, and the followers of the "Christian" Pharisee of Pharisees, are not the same as the Word of God.(Numbers 28:16-17) & (Lev 23:5-6). & John 20:31. A "high day" "Sabbath", is not the same as a Sabbath. The 14th of day of the first month was not a high holy day. It was a day when you could put people on the cross, break "their legs" and take the leaven out of the house. The 14th of Nissan, at the time of the crucifixion, was on a Wednesday, the high holy Sabbath, the Feast of the Unleavened Bread, the 15th of Nissan, was on a Thursday, and 3 days and 3 nights later, on the evening of the regular Sabbath, Mary Magdalene found the tomb empty on the dawn of the 1st day of the week, which starts at sundown of the previous day. Between the harlot Judah (Rev 17:16), and the "daughters of Babylon" (Zech 2:7), the "Christian church", the world seems to be going in circles, and truth seems to remain at bay.
King James Bible John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Numbers 28: 16‘Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the LORD’S Passover. 17 ‘On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. 18‘On the first day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work
When is Passover?
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Re: When is Passover?
Post #2showme wrote:When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)
Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.
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Re: When is Passover?
Post #3That is a little misleading, as you are using the Roman calendar, which suggests actually March 31st after sundown. A better understood version would be March 30th, after sundown, which would then be the 14th of the first month, according to OT reckoning.JehovahsWitness wrote:showme wrote:When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)
Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.
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As for why you "commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus" is another question. But as the "LORD's Passover" (Lev 23:5-6) is when you are supposed to remove the leaven/hypocrisy from the house, do you propose to do that, or as it falls on the 7th day of the week, do your propose to remove the leaven/hypocrisy a day early?
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I agree with your timeline. However, that time line does not apply this year, since Pesach does not always fall on the same day for the week, unless you follow the Karite calendar. That said, if one does follow the Karite calendar, Pesach would always be on a weekly Shabbat, as it is this year. This creates a timeline problem for the Karite follower of Yeshua, because that would result in a "Thursday night" seder, a "Friday" trial and death, and a "Monday night" or "Tuesday morning" resurrection. For the Karite, there is no argument for it depending on what year one is talking about. For the Karite every year, as every month, is the same. for the the first day of every month is also the first day of the week.
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Re: When is Passover?
Post #5Yes Nisan 14th this year corresponds to 31st March. That will be Saturday night.showme wrote:That is a little misleading, as you are using the Roman calendar, which suggests actually March 31st after sundown.JehovahsWitness wrote:showme wrote:When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)
Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.
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We do indeed use unleaven bread as Christ did.
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Re: When is Passover?
Post #6Saturday night, after sunset, would be the 15th of the 1st month, which would be the feast of eating unleavened bread for 7 days. The memorial of the last supper would be on the evening of the 30th of March 2018, after sunset.JehovahsWitness wrote:Yes Nisan 14th this year corresponds to 31st March. That will be Saturday night.showme wrote:That is a little misleading, as you are using the Roman calendar, which suggests actually March 31st after sundown.JehovahsWitness wrote:showme wrote:When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)
Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.
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We do indeed use unleaven bread as Christ did.
As this is a memorial of preparing for the angel of death, I was wondering if you took the anniversary seriously enough to take the hypocrisy out of the house. Especially, as the nations surrounding the nation of Israel are out for blood, at any cost, including their own lives.
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Well, since the original Isrealite calendar made the months and days by the new moons, every Holy day, what we call holidays would move around a little.
I have wondered the same as you and it appears we would have to go back to using the new moons to realign it all.
I have wondered the same as you and it appears we would have to go back to using the new moons to realign it all.
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Re: When is Passover?
Post #8No your calculations are a little off, can you share why you say the evening of the 30th rather than the 31st?showme wrote:Saturday night, after sunset, would be the 15th of the 1st month, .JehovahsWitness wrote:Yes Nisan 14th this year corresponds to 31st March. That will be Saturday night.showme wrote:That is a little misleading, as you are using the Roman calendar, which suggests actually March 31st after sundown.JehovahsWitness wrote:showme wrote:When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)
Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.
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We do indeed use unleaven bread as Christ did.
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Re: When is Passover?
Post #9[Replying to post 8 by JehovahsWitness]
The new moon on the 17th. Nissan 1.
https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/mo ... country=34
http://www.moongiant.com/moonphases/March/2018
The new moon on the 17th. Nissan 1.
https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/mo ... country=34
http://www.moongiant.com/moonphases/March/2018
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Re: When is Passover?
Post #10[Replying to post 9 by brianbbs67]
Thank you, I'm aware of the link as I have been using the internet for some time - did you have a point to make about passover? I asking showme for his calculation placing the passover on the evening of the 30th rather than the 31st, you're welcome to answer for him if you so choose (although I feel confident he is able to answer for himself).
Thank you, I'm aware of the link as I have been using the internet for some time - did you have a point to make about passover? I asking showme for his calculation placing the passover on the evening of the 30th rather than the 31st, you're welcome to answer for him if you so choose (although I feel confident he is able to answer for himself).
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