Does God have free will?

[harvey1]

This is a topic that Bugmaster and I have started to discuss, so I want to open it up for a wider debate. If God is conforming to certain laws (e.g., logical, mathematical, physical laws, spiritual laws, etc.), then in what way is God's actions free since God must conform to those laws? On the other hand, if God doesn't have this freedom, then in what way is God omnipotent?

[Beta]

Cathar ,
I was not aware God created things imperfect, but then I could have missed it. You seem to make a reference to our birth how that is not perfect. Do you mean that humans are not perfect or the birth-process ?
As to the process we were told in Gen.3 that this would become a painful experience because of our disobedience.
As for the person ,God had created them perfect - but what is not so obvious is that we are ' unfinished ', not fully perfected in our first stage. But unfinished is not the same as imperfect would you agree ?

This could be two fold here:
1) God creates imperfections with genetic mutations that lead to malformations, and disease.

2) God creates imperfections because he continues to create man, who is imperfect.

Must disagree here Confused ,

1) If we go back to Gen.1+2 we are told that God created everything perfect since he himself is perfect as seen from other scripts. Mankind / Humans only declined as they became separated from God - by our own choice / disobedience.

2) I think we need to spend some more time on this erronious concept. God is not continuing to create imperfect man. After Adam and Eve were created perfect they were told to be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth Gen.1 v 28 , it became man's job to populate the planet , no longer God's job. Their obedience-test came in Gen.3 and they failed, consequently responsible for what they produced - imperfection being the result of that failure. God did not relieve them of the re-generation-program.

[Cathar1950]

Cathar ,
I was not aware God created things imperfect, but then I could have missed it. You seem to make a reference to our birth how that is not perfect. Do you mean that humans are not perfect or the birth-process ?
As to the process we were told in Gen.3 that this would become a painful experience because of our disobedience.
As for the person ,God had created them perfect - but what is not so obvious is that we are ' unfinished ', not fully perfected in our first stage. But unfinished is not the same as imperfect would you agree ?

This could be two fold here:
1) God creates imperfections with genetic mutations that lead to malformations, and disease.

2) God creates imperfections because he continues to create man, who is imperfect.

Must disagree here Confused ,

1) If we go back to Gen.1+2 we are told that God created everything perfect since he himself is perfect as seen from other scripts. Mankind / Humans only declined as they became separated from God - by our own choice / disobedience.

2) I think we need to spend some more time on this erronious concept. God is not continuing to create imperfect man. After Adam and Eve were created perfect they were told to be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth Gen.1 v 28 , it became man's job to populate the planet , no longer God's job. Their obedience-test came in Gen.3 and they failed, consequently responsible for what they produced - imperfection being the result of that failure. God did not relieve them of the re-generation-program.

You need to realize it is a myth that goes back to earlier myths.
God didn't create every thing perfect, the Gods or Elohim said it was good, not perfect. I would think "good" means it works, fits in or makes sense.
There is no curse, man according to the story got a promotion for being like one of the Elohim experiencing good and evil, where once man(dirt/clay/red dirt) was a gardener, with his partner, working for the Elohim now he has the whole earth but they withheld the tree of life so he wouldn't live forever.
The Elohim didn't want the competition. Women have pain because of the big brain and the hips that allow them to walk upright. There were thorns long before mankind arrived. Man was breeding long before anyone made up the story of the garden. Quit taking the story/myth/fable so seriously.
In the earlier story one god offers food and he refuses because Ea, another god, tells him not to eat it if it is offered because it will kill him.
Where you looking for a sermon Confused?

[Beta]

To each his own Cathar.

It's obvious we are reading different books.