Does belief matter at all?

Willum · Post by **Willum** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:50 pm

If you believe in Heaven.
If you believe in redemption.
If you believe in monotheism, or a monotheism that is a trinity.
If you believe they put a man on the moon.

Why would you think it has any effect on reality?
Why would you think it has any effect on the afterlife or God?
Realtiy, whatever it is, IS what it is, right?

If termites prayed to you would it make a difference?

Reality will be unchanged by your beliefs, right?
God is perfect and unchanged by your beliefs right?

So how does belief change God or what happens ever, or after you die?

If one termite believes you are his savior, and one believes I am it's saviour, does this change anything at all?

FarWanderer · Post by **FarWanderer** » Wed May 09, 2018 10:36 am

ttruscott wrote:Sin is not human nature, in PCE Christianity at least. When the spirits fell they became sinful by a corruption of their innocent nature which was carried over into their human form when they are conceived.

How exactly does a spirit in a world without corruption become corrupt?

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Wed May 09, 2018 12:28 pm

FarWanderer wrote:
ttruscott wrote:Sin is not human nature, in PCE Christianity at least. When the spirits fell they became sinful by a corruption of their innocent nature which was carried over into their human form when they are conceived.
How exactly does a spirit in a world without corruption become corrupt?

Essentially by the free will decision to stand against the revealed nature of GOD as a lie.

In short:
everyone heard the proclamation of the definition of reality as expressed in the gospel, Col 1:23, (excluding the earthly part where we are already sinners since this is pre-sin), and were asked to put their faith, their unproven hopes, by their free will, in the gospel as the truth which included the claims that
- YHWH was our Creator GOD,
- that all who put their faith in HIM would be chosen to be HIS Bride in heaven
- under HIS promise of salvation from any and all sin if they should ever choose to be evil,
- and that all who rejected HIS claims would by this choice self create themselves as eternally evil, forever unable to enter the heavenly marriage and fit only for banishment to the outer darkness due to the enslaving addictive nature of evil and its coercive power destroying their free will.

Post by **Tcg** » Wed May 09, 2018 3:39 pm

ttruscott wrote:
FarWanderer wrote:
ttruscott wrote:Sin is not human nature, in PCE Christianity at least. When the spirits fell they became sinful by a corruption of their innocent nature which was carried over into their human form when they are conceived.
How exactly does a spirit in a world without corruption become corrupt?
Essentially by the free will decision to stand against the revealed nature of GOD as a lie.

In short:
everyone heard the proclamation of the definition of reality as expressed in the gospel, Col 1:23, (excluding the earthly part where we are already sinners since this is pre-sin), and were asked to put their faith, their unproven hopes, by their free will, in the gospel as the truth which included the claims that
- YHWH was our Creator GOD,
- that all who put their faith in HIM would be chosen to be HIS Bride in heaven
- under HIS promise of salvation from any and all sin if they should ever choose to be evil,
- and that all who rejected HIS claims would by this choice self create themselves as eternally evil, forever unable to enter the heavenly marriage and fit only for banishment to the outer darkness due to the enslaving addictive nature of evil and its coercive power destroying their free will.

That's a string of five unsupported assertions in a row. Given that you only made five assertions, all you have offered is unsupported assertions.