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Many failed predictions of Jesus return..

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Matthew 16:27-28 New International Version (NIV)
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.�
There have been many failed predictions of the "2nd coming of Christ". Most notably, Charles Taze Russell who predicted Jesus would return in 1914. When he didn't return, the prediction was revised to mean an "invisible return".

For debate, in light of the quoted passage from Matthew, was Jesus the first person to mistakenly predict his return?

How is Jesus prediction different from any of the others who have mistakenly predicted the time of his return?
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Overcomer wrote: alexcJRO wrote:
Seeing vividly and hearing the voice of an imaginary being is called hallucination.
How do you know he's imaginary?

The same I know Hades, Anubis, Loki, vampires, leprechauns, orcs are imaginary.
Lack of compelling evidence. ;)

Q: Do you believe beings such Hades, Anubis, Loki exist?
Q: Do you believe vampires, leprechauns, orcs are real things?
Q: If someone told you he/she was seeing vividly Hades/Anubis/Loki and was hearing it talk to him/her would you think he/she was hallucinating?
Q: If someone told you he/she was seeing vividly a vampire/leprechaun/orc and was hearing it talk to him/her would you think he/she was hallucinating?
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Checkpoint wrote: Derailment?Topics that are unrelated? Strawman?

Things you seem to be adept at.

Q: Can you stop talking about me, please? :-s :?

Let’s focus on the arguments.

Checkpoint wrote: No, that's not what we are talking about, but what you are talking about.

Dear sir I said:
“When i said mid-phrase i meant suddenly, rapidly.

Q: Did Jesus changed rapidly the subject, topic?(Yes/No question)�

And you said:
“Whatever.
So wat?

Did Jesus suffer from a psychotic disorder?�

Q: What is happening?:))
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."
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alexxcJRO wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: Derailment?Topics that are unrelated? Strawman?

Things you seem to be adept at.

Q: Can you stop talking about me, please? :-s :?

Let’s focus on the arguments.


Yes, let's do just that.

Arguments, that is, about the two verses this thread has cited, in their contexts.

Arguments, that is, not about the mental or verbal state or abilities of Jesus.
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Checkpoint wrote:
Yes, let's do just that.

Arguments, that is, about the two verses this thread has cited, in their contexts.

Arguments, that is, not about the mental or verbal state or abilities of Jesus.

You forgot about this:

Dear sir I said:
“When i said mid-phrase i meant suddenly, rapidly.

Q: Did Jesus changed rapidly the subject, topic?(Yes/No question)�

And you said:
“Whatever.
So wat?

Did Jesus suffer from a psychotic disorder?�

Q: What is happening? :)
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."
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alexxcJRO wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
Yes, let's do just that.

Arguments, that is, about the two verses this thread has cited, in their contexts.

Arguments, that is, not about the mental or verbal state or abilities of Jesus.

You forgot about this:

Dear sir I said:
“When i said mid-phrase i meant suddenly, rapidly.

Q: Did Jesus changed rapidly the subject, topic?(Yes/No question)�

And you said:
“Whatever.
So wat?

Did Jesus suffer from a psychotic disorder?�

Q: What is happening? :)
What is happening is you are talking of my past posts.

What I proposed agreed with your suggestion by pointing out what our arguments should include and should exclude.

Deal?
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Checkpoint wrote:
alexxcJRO wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
Yes, let's do just that.

Arguments, that is, about the two verses this thread has cited, in their contexts.

Arguments, that is, not about the mental or verbal state or abilities of Jesus.

You forgot about this:

Dear sir I said:
“When i said mid-phrase i meant suddenly, rapidly.

Q: Did Jesus changed rapidly the subject, topic?(Yes/No question)�

And you said:
“Whatever.
So wat?

Did Jesus suffer from a psychotic disorder?�

Q: What is happening? :)
What is happening is you are talking of my past posts.

What I proposed agreed with your suggestion by pointing out what our arguments should include and should exclude.

Deal?


I talked about not making personal remarks and add hominems.

We were talking about :
1. I don’t have to prove “ jumping between unrelated topics, rapidly switching topics: Mathew 27 talking of one topic, Mathew 28 talking of different topic. “ This was your idea.
2. The “Jesus had a fantastical beliefs that he was the son of an omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect God, that he had a special power and importance(the savior of mankind), that he was perfect, sinless� is true according to the bible and Christians.
3. Seeing vividly and hearing the voice of an imaginary being(Satan) is called hallucination

Your objection to 1 was :
"No, that's not what we are talking about, but what you are talking about. "

And i responded with:
"Dear sir I said:
“When i said mid-phrase i meant suddenly, rapidly.
Q: Did Jesus changed rapidly the subject, topic?(Yes/No question)�
And you said:
“Whatever.
So wat?
Did Jesus suffer from a psychotic disorder?�
Q: What is happening?Smile)"

No objections to 2.

And your objections to 3 was: "You say God is "an imaginary being", but... "

So what you have is a whole pile of nothing. 8-)

Q: Care to bring some serious objections?
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
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"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
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[Replying to post 106 by alexxcJRO]
Q: Care to bring some serious objections?
Serious objections to what exactly?


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Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 106 by alexxcJRO]
Q: Care to bring some serious objections?
Serious objections to what exactly?


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Daaaaaahhhhh.:))))



Disordered thinking - jumping between unrelated topics, rapidly switching topics: Mathew 27 talking of one topic, Mathew 28 talking of different topic.

Hallucinations – Jesus saw and heard the voice of Satan(an imaginary being)

Grandiose delusions Jesus had a fantastical beliefs that he was the son of an omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect God, that he had a special power and importance(the savior of mankind), that he was perfect, sinless.
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
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Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 106 by alexxcJRO]
Q: Care to bring some serious objections?
Serious objections to what exactly?


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Daaaaaahhhhh.:))))

Like you don't know:

"One can make a case for Jesus suffering from psychotic disorder:

1. Disordered thinking - jumping between unrelated topics, rapidly switching topics: Mathew 27 talking of one topic, Mathew 28 talking of different topic.

2. Hallucinations – Jesus saw and heard the voice of Satan(an imaginary being)

3 .Grandiose delusions Jesus had a fantastical beliefs that he was the son of an omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect God, that he had a special power and importance(the savior of mankind), that he was perfect, sinless."
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."
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alexxcJRO wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 106 by alexxcJRO]
Q: Care to bring some serious objections?
Serious objections to what exactly?


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Daaaaaahhhhh.:))))

Like you don't know:

"One can make a case for Jesus suffering from psychotic disorder:

1. Disordered thinking - jumping between unrelated topics, rapidly switching topics: Mathew 27 talking of one topic, Mathew 28 talking of different topic.

2. Hallucinations – Jesus saw and heard the voice of Satan(an imaginary being)

3 .Grandiose delusions Jesus had a fantastical beliefs that he was the son of an omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect God, that he had a special power and importance(the savior of mankind), that
he was perfect, sinless."
I thought so.

Where is that in the thread op?

Nowhere.

If you want to debate those things, start a new thread.
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