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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:49 am  Morality question Reply with quote

Suppose you are the king of a country and that country has a small population of jews that you are happy with.

If there were immigrants that really honestly needed your help to survive but they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out.

Is it moral to protect the Jews or moral to save the refugees?
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It still doesn't say that the king knew the refugees would force the Jews out over time. That was the point of my previous post.

Does it need to explicit say that the king knew given the fact that the king was told that the refugees would force the Jews out? Or are you saying merely being told doesn't count as knowing because the information might not be accurate?

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the moral thing for the king to do at that time would be provide protection for the refugees.

If it wasn't clear in the OP, then the author made it quite explicit that you cannot do both in a later post:

"I think you mean import the immigrants and save the jews. Sorry the moral dilemma doesn't allow for it."

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It still doesn't say that the king knew the refugees would force the Jews out over time. That was the point of my previous post.


Does it need to explicit say that the king knew given the fact that the king was told that the refugees would force the Jews out?



The OP doesn't state that the king was told anything. I seem to be the only one here who is addressing it as it is written.

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Or are you saying merely being told doesn't count as knowing because the information might not be accurate?



I'll repeat, the king wasn't told anything at all in the OP.

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If it wasn't clear in the OP, then the author made it quite explicit that you cannot do both in a later post:



I am referring to the initial action the king should have taken. What transpired later is a totally different issue.

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The OP doesn't state that the king was told anything. I seem to be the only one here who is addressing it as it is written.

That just rises a new question: why does the OP need to explicit state that the king was told that the refugees would force the Jews out, given fact that the king was told it?

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I'll repeat, the king wasn't told anything at all in the OP.

What do you mean? The king was told the refugees would force the Jews out. It literally says "If there were immigrants that really honestly needed your help to survive but they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out."

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I am referring to the initial action the king should have taken. What transpired later is a totally different issue.

I am also referring to the initial action, doing both is not allowed by the scenario.

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Tcg wrote:

The OP doesn't state that the king was told anything. I seem to be the only one here who is addressing it as it is written.

That just rises a new question: why does the OP need to explicit state that the king was told that the refugees would force the Jews out, given fact that the king was told it?



The king wasn't told it. Perhaps you need to review the OP and reply once you understand it properly.

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What do you mean? The king was told the refugees would force the Jews out.



No, he wasn't. Have you read the OP?

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The king wasn't told it.

It's literally right there, and I quote, again: "If there were immigrants that really honestly needed your help to survive but they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out." How can you maintain not being told when it's right there in black and white?

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No, he wasn't. Have you read the OP?

Yes he was, Have you read the OP? Should I quote it for you again? "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out." What seems to be the sticking point, you don't think the "they" was referring to the immigrants? Please be more specific?

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How can you maintain not being told when it's right there in black and white?



Because it is not there in black and white. Pretty simple really.



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No, he wasn't. Have you read the OP?


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Yes he was, Have you read the OP? Should I quote it for you again? "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out." What seems to be the sticking point, you don't think the "they" was referring to the immigrants? Please be more specific?


My point is that the king wasn't told anything. It's not complicated at all. Is that specific enough?

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My point is that the king wasn't told anything. It's not complicated at all. Is that specific enough?

No, because it says so right there in the OP. And I quote "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out." Be even more specific, why doesn't that counts as being told?

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Tcg wrote:

My point is that the king wasn't told anything. It's not complicated at all. Is that specific enough?

No, because it says so right there in the OP. And I quote "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out." Be even more specific, why doesn't that counts as being told?


Because of the 57 words in the OP, none of them are the word, "told". There is absolutely nothing in the OP that would lead one to conclude the king was told anything. In fact, given that neither the word "told" nor any synonym of that word appears in the OP, there is no reason to assume any one was told anything.

If I have overlooked the word "told", or any of its synonyms, amongst the 57 words in the OP, fill free to quote in black and white and I'll be glad to reconsider my position.

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Because of the 57 words in the OP, none of them are the word, "told". There is absolutely nothing in the OP that would lead one to conclude the king was told anything. In fact, given that neither the word "told" nor any synonym of that word appears in the OP, there is no reason to assume any one was told anything.

Surely the fact that the OP says "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out" is more than enough reason to assume you was told the Jews would be forced out, if you even need to assume anything as it is literally right there in black and white.

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If I have overlooked the word "told", or any of its synonyms, amongst the 57 words in the OP, fill free to quote in black and white and I'll be glad to reconsider my position.

Consider the statement "my car is red."

Have you been told what color my car is, bearing in mind that neither the word "told" nor any of its synonyms, can be found in those 4 words? Is that anything in that simple statement would lead one to conclude you were told what color my car is?

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Tcg wrote:

Because of the 57 words in the OP, none of them are the word, "told". There is absolutely nothing in the OP that would lead one to conclude the king was told anything. In fact, given that neither the word "told" nor any synonym of that word appears in the OP, there is no reason to assume any one was told anything.


Surely the fact that the OP says "they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out" is more than enough reason to assume you was told the Jews would be forced out, if you even need to assume anything as it is literally right there in black and white.



No it isn't. That is why once again you have failed to provide a quote that includes the word, "told". It's not your fault of course, you can't quote something that doesn't exist.

You in fact do need to assume something to continue your line of argumentation. The simple reason for this is because the word "told" is not literally right there in black and white. It's not there in any colors at all.

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