Why does God forgive sinners?

Willum · Post by **Willum** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:02 am

I am frequently amazed at the number of revelations one gets as the assumptions taught in childhood are cut through.

For example, Christians say God is forgiving because of love.
Let's be pragmatic a minute.
Assuming this God exists, God does not need to be forgiving because of love.

God can forgive the proverbial serial killers and so on, on their death bed, because he is no better himself.

He murdered and had had people murder; people, peoples, even entire planets because they irked him.

It is likely that God respects those people who murder people because of their particular beliefs or for reasons he respects, we can't understand.
Similar analogies can be made for other sinners.

But the point is: He can forgive everyone, not because of love, but because he has done far, far worse.

Isn't this more reasonable than, the verbal apology, "God is love"?

PinSeeker · Post by **PinSeeker** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:50 pm

[quote="1213"]
Forget him, 1213. Slam the door on him. Darkness loves darkness. Give him what he wants.

Willum · Post by **Willum** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:57 pm

[Replying to post 51 by PinSeeker]

Slam the door on him. Darkness loves darkness. Give him what he wants.

Great quote, what Bible verse is that?

PinSeeker · Post by **PinSeeker** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:19 pm

Willum wrote: Great quote, what Bible verse is that?

"Darkness loves darkness" is actually a paraphrase of John 3:19-21. See how you prove the Word of God, even without knowing or trying? Oh wait. No, of course you don't.

Post by **otseng** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:26 pm

PinSeeker wrote: Forget him, 1213. Slam the door on him. Darkness loves darkness. Give him what he wants.

PinSeeker wrote: See how you prove the Word of God, even without knowing or trying? Oh wait. No, of course you don't.

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1213 · Post by **1213** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:33 pm

Willum wrote: Giving life means you are responsible for it, not have rights over it.

I donâ€™t see any good reason to accept that. The one who gives life, has every right to say how long and on what conditions, because it is from him.

Willum wrote:Where did I get the idea he slaughtered planets? â€¦

Bible doesnâ€™t say planet was slaughtered. Bible tells that certain animals and plants were drowned.

Willum wrote:If he forgives them, he must respect them. It isn't complicated.

Bible doesnâ€™t say God forgives because he respects murder or murderer.

Willum · Post by **Willum** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:53 pm

[Replying to post 55 by 1213]

I donâ€™t see any good reason to accept that. The one who gives life, has every right to say how long and on what conditions, because it is from him.

If he gives life, you should be able to demonstrate that.
I have never see anyone but parents give life, please demonstrate how God does. What is the process, and why doesn't he discriminate in an all-knowing way?

And WHY did you cut off the bit of my quote that answered your question?

Giving life means you are responsible for it, not have rights over it. After all, no one was asked if they wanted life.

If you weren't asked for something, how can you be held responsible for it? Just another artificial debt paradigm courtesy of religion.

[The] Bible doesnâ€™t say God forgives because he respects murder or murderer.

Welp, that is what the topic is about: Noticing God has not right to condemn, that's why he forgives...

Amazing we are only now getting here in the topic,1213, when it is an assumption of the topic.
Again, if you can read something as simple as the topic, what expectation should we have for your understanding of the Bible. Which I have also had to demonstrate to you... killing virtually all life on Earth is a slaughter.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:10 pm

Willum wrote: â€¦I have never see anyone but parents give life, please demonstrate how God does. What is the process, and why doesn't he discriminate in an all-knowing way?

Parents donâ€™t give life, they just in good case manage to let life to continue. Life in cells is not from, or because of humans.

And about how God gave life. I only believe what the Bible tells and according to it, God created by his word. I donâ€™t know how it accurately happened.

Willum wrote:If you weren't asked for something, how can you be held responsible for it? Just another artificial debt paradigm courtesy of religion.

I think people are responsible of what they do. God is responsible of what He does.

Willum wrote:Welp, that is what the topic is about: Noticing God has not right to condemn, that's why he forgives...

Sorry, I disagree with you, God has given all, so He has right to decide the rules.

Willum · Post by **Willum** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:50 pm

[Replying to post 57 by 1213]

Yes, but you say God says one thing, if I say the other, guess what, I win.
Let's try it shall we?
I have more control over reality than God, I can demonstrate.

We'll se who can write "Toy boat," ten times the fastest.
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat.

I win, Yahweh doesn't even place.
That isn't my opinion, or personal thought, but what I can demonstrate.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:05 pm

Willum wrote: Yes, but you say God says one thing, if I say the other, guess what, I win.
Let's try it shall we?
I have more control over reality than God, I can demonstrate.

We'll se who can write "Toy boat," ten times the fastest.
â€¦
I win, Yahweh doesn't even place.
That isn't my opinion, or personal thought, but what I can demonstrate.

I think there was no good reason for God to participate in that competition.

Also, I think without God, you would not have been able to do that writing. So, it was Godâ€™s win, because it can be seen that He made you do it.

PinSeeker · Post by **PinSeeker** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:10 pm

Willum wrote: [Replying to post 57 by 1213]

Yes, but you say God says one thing, if I say the other, guess what, I win.
Let's try it shall we?
I have more control over reality than God, I can demonstrate.

We'll se who can write "Toy boat," ten times the fastest.
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat,
Toy boat.

I win, Yahweh doesn't even place.
That isn't my opinion, or personal thought, but what I can demonstrate.

Heh, heh, heh... Hey, just a thought:

How do you know he even participated? Because Psalm 2 tells us that when people devise vain things, He laughs, even scoffs (v.4).

Or, if He did participate, how do you know He wasn't done before you even started? Because Psalm 139 tells us that He knows our words before we even speak them (v.4).

Eh. I think it's more likely that God does not pay attention to folly, as Job tells us (24:12).

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