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What does the Bible tells about the creation?

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Arrow What does the Bible teach about the very ancient history concerning the creation of life and physical reality?

To begin there is a great huge divide between Genesis 1:1 and verse 1:2

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
KJV, GENESIS

First the creation happened (call it as the Big Bang) and then verse 2 comes along billions of years later.

A big point about verse 2 is that original wording is describing in past tense as in = "the earth was" = the earth became without form and void with darkness over the deep.

Most people make the mistake of viewing verse 1 stepping into verse 2 as the sequence and that is not accurate.

We learn this later in the Bible as in Psalm 104:30, it tells that God was "renewing" the face of the earth.

This renewing is because the earth was once new and it got damaged and so later it was renewed, as that renewal started in Genesis 1:2b.

Something happened to the earth that caused it to be damaged or as said = without form and void and with darkness, and the Bible tells us that this happened because of an ancient war in the heavens by a race of beings called Angels.

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Arrow ... the Bible tells us that this happened because of an ancient war in the heavens by a race of beings called Angels.

The word "Angel" only means messenger, and some Angels are said to kill people, so the modern image of a cute little Angel with wings is far from accurate.

The Bible tells that the earth was once populated by the Spirit life and in time there was a war between the spirits for greater power, one third of the Angels rebelled, and yet the spirits were not physical and they could not die so it was not the same kind of war as done in physical humanity.

Because of that spiritual war God the Father created the physical life including humanity, and thereby the same war continued on the physical earth, and the purpose was that humanity would learn the secrets to suffering and death which the spirits could not understand, and the physical would be destined to over rule the spiritual, 1 Corinthians 6:3, which thereby intensified that spiritual war into our physical domain.

Today the Ghost and Demons and Spirits are still around but they are mostly afraid of humans so they stay invisible and out of sight as much as the can, and they too wait for the day of salvation.

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The Bible tells that the earth was once populated by the Spirit life and in time there was a war between the spirits for greater power, one third of the Angels rebelled, and yet the spirits were not physical and they could not die so it was not the same kind of war as done in physical humanity.

According to the scriptures there was the Devil or call him as Satan or as Lucifer, and the Devil was the leader of the rebellion, and the war was not to destroy each other but just to gain higher power, and all true power comes from the Father God.

What the scriptures tell is that the Father or the Creator is not really a spirit nor like the Angels because the Creator is some super powerful being which reigns so far above that even the spirits are way below, see James 2:19, and so there was one connection between the spirit world and the Creator and that was through the spokesperson of God, and that "spokesperson" is otherwise translated as the word, or as the word of God, see John 1:1-3

Jesus (Yesu) is said to be the word (the spokesperson) of the Father, and that is why there was intense hostility between the Devil and Jesus based on the old spiritual war.

Lucifer was never trying to fight the Creator / Father God because the Creator is even the Father of the Spirits, so it was just a battle to take the second position, to take over the role of spokesperson as second in command, see Isaiah 14:12-14, as it says = "above the stars of God" and not above the Father God.

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Today the Ghost and Demons and Spirits are still around but they are mostly afraid of humans so they stay invisible and out of sight as much as the can, and they too wait for the day of salvation.

This spirit war was started by evil, but it is to get finished by righteousness.

This is like the US Civil war were the south started the rebellion based on their racist ideals, but Abe Lincoln turned the ending of that war into a liberation of humanity.

This spiritual war will bring big changes - yes, but God will end the war with forgiveness and reconciliation, so that not only will every person be saved and given great power, but so will the entire Spirit world be saved, and even Satan the Devil reaps the salvation for all.

The consequence is that Lucifer will no longer have the power or position which he once had, and people will marvel that this Devil was ever able to do so much in the first place. Isaiah 14:16-17

In the end everyone gets saved, and not even one sinful sheep gets left out or lost.

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Arrow Something happened to the earth that caused it to be damaged or as said = without form and void and with darkness, and the Bible tells us that this happened because of an ancient war in the heavens by a race of beings called Angels.

Many people view war as a sign of failure, as in a perfect God can not fail, and so every failure is a show that God is not perfect, and that makes sense but it is still wrong.

To know the future does not mean to control the future, as like we know a hurricane will hit the Florida coast because it happens every year but we do not make it happen, and a perfect creation (or invention) includes the probability that some thing will go wrong, because every adventure even when done by a powerful Creator God will always include risk, and the greater the effort then the greater are the risks.

People claim that God is perfect and flawless but the Bible does not really say that. As in the beginning the earth was (or became) void and formless, then Adam and Eve got into trouble, then Noah's arc and the world flooded, the Prophets get rejected, Jesus gets crucified, Christians fed to lions, humanity on the brink of nuclear war, so the creation of life was filled with problems and complications but it was worth the risk to do it anyway, and that extreme risk is what makes our Father God so great.

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People claim that God is perfect and flawless but the Bible does not really say that.

There is a text in the Bible which declares in the last sentence = "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." KJV, Matthew 5:43-48

And if one looks then that quote is taken out of context, because the context as seen in the text (link above) tells that God being perfect because God does this = "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

God loving His enemies is what makes God as the perfect God.

Having problems in the creation or having rebellious Angels and wanton human children has nothing to do with God being perfect.

It is like a coffee pot, and to be a perfect coffee pot then it need only make the coffee correctly and that is its perfection.

A perfect hammer does not need to be a screw driver or a wrench because a hammer just needs to be a hammer in order to be a perfect hammer.

The Father God being the perfect Father is by loving His enemies.

This really does make the absolutest sense, because if our Creator-Father did not love the Angels that rebelled or love the lost human race then God would be a tyrant and a monster and God would thereby be our enemy - so for a real God to be perfect then that is the one (1) characteristic required.

So people claim that God burns people in hell, and burns with fire and brimstone, burns people in the lake of fire, and God does horrible punishments to His enemies, and that is a human idea which does not come from God and it is not correctly coming from the Bible scriptures.

Here is the telling text = "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." KJV, 1 Corinthians 3:15

Every human being is a child of God having the spirit of God in every person, and as the text declares the fire of God cleans and purifies so that every person gets saved.

The evil works are burned while every person get saved - and that is the true product of a perfect God.

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JP Cusick wrote:

Arrow ... the Bible tells us that this happened because of an ancient war in the heavens by a race of beings called Angels.

The word "Angel" only means messenger, and some Angels are said to kill people, so the modern image of a cute little Angel with wings is far from accurate.

The Bible tells that the earth was once populated by the Spirit life and in time there was a war between the spirits for greater power, one third of the Angels rebelled, and yet the spirits were not physical and they could not die so it was not the same kind of war as done in physical humanity.

Because of that spiritual war God the Father created the physical life including humanity, and thereby the same war continued on the physical earth, and the purpose was that humanity would learn the secrets to suffering and death which the spirits could not understand, and the physical would be destined to over rule the spiritual, 1 Corinthians 6:3, which thereby intensified that spiritual war into our physical domain.

Today the Ghost and Demons and Spirits are still around but they are mostly afraid of humans so they stay invisible and out of sight as much as the can, and they too wait for the day of salvation.


There was never a war between angels in the heaven .
It never happened. It must be the narrators/scribes and or the clergy who misunderstood the real phenomenon and made things to allure the people.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

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paarsurrey1 wrote:

There was never a war between angels in the heaven .
It never happened. It must be the narrators/scribes and or the clergy who misunderstood the real phenomenon and made things to allure the people.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

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I can not say if the meaning of "war" is the same in Heaven as on earth, and this doctrine about the war is very complicated from the Bible.

Here is one reference, from Isaiah 14:
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
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And I know that many people today reject the notion of Lucifer being Satan but it is a metaphor regardless of any other circumstance.

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Creation in the Bible

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There are numerous accounts of Creation in the Bible, many of which appear to be from different origins, both folklore and mythologically.

Genesis 1:1-2:3 were added at a later date, and were not a part of the original Book of Genesis (if such a phrase is viable, given it is a composite work). Genesis 1:1-11 is directly inspired and taken from other Mesopotamian myths of the time, showing huge literary parallels with the Enuma Elish. For example, creating the world from chaotic waters that define the original Earth. The Enuma Elish similarly leaves many parallels on Genesis 2 as well. There are literary parallels between the Garden of Eden and Sumerian myths as well.

There are other Creation narratives in the Bible, however.

-Psalm 74 and Isaiah 51 both provide examples of Combative Creation, or Agon Creation. These are where God battles sea monsters in order to create the Earth. These go back to Canaanite mythology, and are recollections of a very different religion.

-The Gospel of John 1 produces a more philosophical and near Hellenistic form of creation, via Logos.

-Job 26 talks about how God spread out the skies and suspended the Earth (though it still sits on pillars even in that text), both unrelated to other creation narratives.

There are more beyond these few. The ones from Isaiah 51 and Psalm 74 reflect earlier Canaanite belief (which Israel maintained until the Second Temple period, after the Exile), whereas others are purely monotheistic and far more Babylonian in structure. Others are Hellenistic in inspiration.

The Bible tells us many things about Creation, none of them are entirely consistent though.

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