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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:30 pm  Dying 13-year-old boy wants sex Reply with quote

Aside from legality, if a dying 13-year-old boy wanted sex with an attractive woman, would it be immoral to arrange for his wish to be fulfilled?

Would your answer be different if the dying teen was a girl or gay or lesbian?
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I'm not saying it is unethical. I am just saying some think so, and some do not. But either way, because of the controversy, there is an erosion of the commandment.

I Disagree. If I am a parent and I have a strict 9pm bedtime for my children, the commandment isn’t eroded if I let them stay up 2 hours later one night when Aunt Sue comes for a visit. The exception doesn’t negate the need for or benefit of the rule. And then if even 2 short months later, I extend their bedtime yet again so they can watch fireworks, doesn’t mean I throw my arms up and say the bedtime rule is impossible to always implement so what’s the point/use. Being able to adjust to different circumstances doesn’t make one a hypocrite.


OK, but even you must admit that too many exceptions will negate a rule. If the rule is 'in bed by seven', but on Mondays they stay up for TV, on Tuesdays they stay up for the homework they didn't do on the Monday, on Wednesdays they stay up to play computer games, on Thursdays they stay up for dance classes, on Fridays they stay up for a family takeaway meal, on Saturdays they stay up to visit friends, and on Sundays they stay up for devotional practices, then really, the rule is pretty much irrelevant to their lives. Don't you agree?

Best wishes, 2RM.

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Just so. And, incidentally, I would agree that self-defense is adequate excuse to kill. But many Christians do not. The Quakers, for example, and the Amish, and many other pacifists of disparate denominations. They point to the example of Jesus, who, when they sent the soldiers to arrest him, not only told His disciples to put up their swords, but even healed an injury one of them had inflicted. And this, though He knew perfectly well His arrest would lead to an excruciating death on the cross.


I would say you are incorrect in your assessment of Quaker/Amish belief. I have spoken with Quakers on other forums who admit that if they or their family was being violently attacked, they could fight back and would not just sit their and allow themselves to be killed.


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So what makes us right, and them wrong?



But, if it is true that there exist some group/individual out there who believes it never ok to harm another person, they are obviously free to do so. Quite frankly, I personally would never own a gun. I really don’t think I would ever be capable of using it. I would do everything I could to keep safe, but cannot see myself ever purposely killing another. Although, I do not believe it would be immoral to do so. If the attacker is unhinged and acting in such an immoral/harmful way, it would not be immoral to protect good from evil.

So, to answer your question, it wouldn’t be immoral not to defend oneself, but it also isn’t immoral to do so. So, in your example, they are not wrong. We both are right.

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Are we 'dangerously rationalising?' If not, why not?


You tell me. If some monstrous human being barges into your home and proceeds to violently murder your family members one by one is it dangerous or mere rationalization to recognize we are permitted to take means to stop them, even if the only way to do that would result in the death of the monster?

Now, compare that to walking into a supermarket and killing Joe because he took your parking spot. Sure, it probably was your spot and Joe was being a jerk, but can’t we all agree it would be immoral for you to kill Joe, even if he were in the wrong?

Like I said, most people are capable of recognizing the, “Thou shall not kill” commandment and when it applies.

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OK, but even you must admit that too many exceptions will negate a rule. If the rule is 'in bed by seven', but on Mondays they stay up for TV, on Tuesdays they stay up for the homework they didn't do on the Monday, on Wednesdays they stay up to play computer games, on Thursdays they stay up for dance classes, on Fridays they stay up for a family takeaway meal, on Saturdays they stay up to visit friends, and on Sundays they stay up for devotional practices, then really, the rule is pretty much irrelevant to their lives. Don't you agree?


Yep. Not too difficult to recognize, right? But is that what we see with, “Thou shall not kill”? I don’t think so, which is why I can confidently say, “It’s not right to purposely take the life of another innocent human being.” Period. It’s not really that difficult. And I think this is something rational human beings can all recognize and acknowledge.

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Like I said, most people are capable of recognizing the, “Thou shall not kill” commandment and when it applies.


And, sadly alas, many aren't. Accurate recognition of evil, it seems to me, requires some degree of spiritual stature, or character development, which we cannot rely on in everybody, or there would be no tobacco industry, no opium production, no manufacturers of combat aircraft, and no need for missiles and tanks and guns anywhere, etc.

What is required is a rational approach based either on fundamental truths everyone accepts, or else on aspirational ideals everyone accepts, or maybe some mixture of both.

More later, as time and inclination permit.

Best wishes, 2RM

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