Perhaps the most well known of the alleged Marion miracles in America is that of the Lady of Guadalupe which is dated 1531. There a many celebrations throughout the Americas particularly in Mexico where the vision was said to have occurred.
The story is:
www.britannica.com/topic/Our-Lady-of-Gu ... -of-Mexico
“According to tradition, Mary appeared to Juan Diego, who was an Aztec convert to Christianity, on December 9 and again on December 12, 1531. She requested that a shrine to her be built on the spot where she appeared, Tepeyac Hill (now in a suburb of Mexico City). The bishop demanded a sign before he would approve construction of a church, however. Mary appeared a second time to Juan Diego and ordered him to collect roses. In a second audience with the bishop, Juan Diego opened his cloak, letting dozens of roses fall to the floor and revealing the image of Mary imprinted on the inside of the cloak—the image that is now venerated in the Basilica of Guadalupe.�
While many people have faith in this "miracle," is there historical evidence that it ever occurred?
Feast of Lady of Guadalupe 12 Dec.
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Result of investigations of Lourdes' cures.
Post #11The Lourdes Medical Cures Revisited - PubMed Central (PMC)
• www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › J Hist Med Allied Sci
J Hist Med Allied Sci. 2014 Jan; 69(1): 135–162.
Published online 2012 Jul 27. doi: [10.1093/jhmas/jrs041]
Most cures that occurred between the two World Wars cannot be accepted at face value: Many diagnoses remain dubious for lack of appropriate criteria and follow-up. Generally speaking, follow-up has been absent or inadequate in Lourdes history, as many patients returned to Lourdes by themselves. There was no policy of periodical controls and no deliberate attempt to check the absence of recurrence, a basic requirement for any extraordinary and successful therapeutic method. We also suspect that declaration of miracles by the Catholic Church froze the situation and discouraged further observation and follow-up of the miraculés.
Today's physicians require hard and incontrovertible evidence to support a declaration of cure. Considering available data about the two individuals discarded from this study and eight out of the twenty-five being studied, we had misgivings related to (a) the fact that required criteria for consideration were not met, (b) lack of diagnostic evidence, (c) inconsistencies in the clinical history, (d) inadequate follow-up, (e) possible influence of prior treatments, (f) possible diagnostic error, (g) possible relapse of the disease, and (h) an outcome in doubt.47 We know of only two postmortems carried out on subjects formerly cured in Lourdes.48
• www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › J Hist Med Allied Sci
J Hist Med Allied Sci. 2014 Jan; 69(1): 135–162.
Published online 2012 Jul 27. doi: [10.1093/jhmas/jrs041]
Most cures that occurred between the two World Wars cannot be accepted at face value: Many diagnoses remain dubious for lack of appropriate criteria and follow-up. Generally speaking, follow-up has been absent or inadequate in Lourdes history, as many patients returned to Lourdes by themselves. There was no policy of periodical controls and no deliberate attempt to check the absence of recurrence, a basic requirement for any extraordinary and successful therapeutic method. We also suspect that declaration of miracles by the Catholic Church froze the situation and discouraged further observation and follow-up of the miraculés.
Today's physicians require hard and incontrovertible evidence to support a declaration of cure. Considering available data about the two individuals discarded from this study and eight out of the twenty-five being studied, we had misgivings related to (a) the fact that required criteria for consideration were not met, (b) lack of diagnostic evidence, (c) inconsistencies in the clinical history, (d) inadequate follow-up, (e) possible influence of prior treatments, (f) possible diagnostic error, (g) possible relapse of the disease, and (h) an outcome in doubt.47 We know of only two postmortems carried out on subjects formerly cured in Lourdes.48
Coptic vision?
Post #12From. Wikipedia
Estimates of the number of observers of the event vary greatly. Thousands were said to have flocked to the Church after the first announced occurrences of the phenomenon. Some claim the apparitions were seen by millions. Other sources estimate the figure at around 250,000 in total. Cynthia Nelson was a professor of anthropology at AUC (American University in Cairo) and the founding director of the Institute of Gender and Women's Studies. She visited the church site on several occasions including April 15, 1968, another week later near the end of April and on June 1, 1968. Despite the accounts of ongoing, if irregular, visitations by the Marian apparition, Cynthia Nelson documents seeing nothing other than a few 'intermittent flashes of light'.[7]
“The statement in conclusion prayed Almighty God to make the apparition a sign of peace for the region. During the question-and-answer period following the news conference, Bishop Samuel expressed his hope that the apparition would be a good omen and that Almighty God would realize victory for the Arabs against the Israelis, who have occupied the holy places in the Holy City of Jerusalem, considered the most sacred city by the Copts and, after Mecca and Medina, by the Muslims as well,�
Estimates of the number of observers of the event vary greatly. Thousands were said to have flocked to the Church after the first announced occurrences of the phenomenon. Some claim the apparitions were seen by millions. Other sources estimate the figure at around 250,000 in total. Cynthia Nelson was a professor of anthropology at AUC (American University in Cairo) and the founding director of the Institute of Gender and Women's Studies. She visited the church site on several occasions including April 15, 1968, another week later near the end of April and on June 1, 1968. Despite the accounts of ongoing, if irregular, visitations by the Marian apparition, Cynthia Nelson documents seeing nothing other than a few 'intermittent flashes of light'.[7]
“The statement in conclusion prayed Almighty God to make the apparition a sign of peace for the region. During the question-and-answer period following the news conference, Bishop Samuel expressed his hope that the apparition would be a good omen and that Almighty God would realize victory for the Arabs against the Israelis, who have occupied the holy places in the Holy City of Jerusalem, considered the most sacred city by the Copts and, after Mecca and Medina, by the Muslims as well,�
