Does God cause changes to occur in the course of human lives

[Zzyzx]

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Does God cause changes to occur in the course of human lives?

If yes, what verifiable evidence can be cited to show God’s involvement?

If yes, is it not tampering with / interfering with the supposed ‘free will’ to manipulate a person or alter their circumstances to influence outcomes?

If no, what is the purpose of praying for change?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by Zzyzx]

There is a significant amount of biblical evidence God does indeed occasionally play a direct role in human affairs.

FREE WILL [Index]


What is FREE WILL?
viewtopic.php?p=816711#p816711

Does free will cesse to existnin the face of cohersion? [analysis of CARM definition]
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 90#p816690

Does anyone have free will in the absolute?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 00#p956200

What early thinkers discussed free will?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 76#p870976

Free will = a capacity/abiliity [analysis of CARM definition]
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 90#p816690

Free will =/= freedom from consequence
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 98#p816498

Free will & Omniscience (scroll down)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 31#p381431

Foreknowledge =/= causation
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 50#p850450

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

FREE WILL, PREDESTINATION and ...SELECTIVE FOREKNOWLEDGE

[Zzyzx]

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There is a significant amount of biblical evidence God does indeed occasionally play a direct role in human affairs.

Biblical evidence may be appropriate in TD&D or HH sub-forums or in church, but the Bible is NOT considered authoritative (any more than any other book) here in C&A.

Is there real world, verifiable evidence of 'God playing a direct role in human affairs'?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 3 by Zzyzx]

Did I say the bible was considered authoritative in this forum? I am perfectly aware of forum rules thank you. You asked for verifiable evidence and I presented some. My answer is completely appropriate for this forum.

[*] EVIDENCE

The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
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VALID


(of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent.

VERIFY
transitive verb

1 : to establish the truth, accuracy, or reality of
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verified

You can of course dismiss the evidence I have pointed to if you find it uncomfortable or if the information contradicts your chosen beliefs.



Have a nice day,


JW

[Guy Threepwood]

[Replying to post 1 by Zzyzx]

Does God cause changes to occur in the course of human lives?

yes

If yes, what verifiable evidence can be cited to show God’s involvement?

the best kind, 1st hand experience

If yes, is it not tampering with / interfering with the supposed ‘free will’ to manipulate a person or alter their circumstances to influence outcomes?

no

If no, what is the purpose of praying for change?

you have free will, to pray for change or not...

[Zzyzx]

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Did I say the bible was considered authoritative in this forum? I am perfectly aware of forum rules thank you. You asked for evidence and I presented some. My answer is completely appropriate for this forum.

Correction: I asked for VERIFIABLE evidence.

Let's read the OP: "If yes, what verifiable evidence can be cited to show God’s involvement?"

HOW can Biblical 'evidence' be verified to be true and accurate?

Tales written in ancient literature which cannot be verified as true and accurate are just TALES / stories / testimonials / claims.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 6 by Zzyzx]

That's what I said "verifiable evidence" ie able to be verified.


It is possible to verify everything in the bible by speaking to a reliable eyewitness of the events. Thus the biblical information is, going by the meaning of the word "verifiable".

VERIFY
transitive verb

1 : to establish the truth, accuracy, or reality of
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verified

Evidence is information whether that be testimonials, personal beliefs, historical accounts, and verifiable means is there a means of establishing whether something is true, since there is a way to establish if the testimonials and accounts in the bible are true then they amount to "verifiable evidence"

JW

[Mithrae]

It is possible to verify everything in the bible by speaking to a reliable eyewitness of the events.

Unfortunately that alleged eyewitness seems to tell different people different things. For example He told me that many of those stories are partly or wholly untrue. Not really what I expected and certainly not what I wanted to hear, at the time. In many other cases - when people claim that He told them things which one would most likely expect them to believe anyway - we'd be forced to conclude either that He is giving contradictory information to different people and is therefore an utterly unreliable 'eyewitness,' or else those people are simply reporting their own biases or preconceived ideas.

[Zzyzx]

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It is possible to verify everything in the bible by speaking to a reliable eyewitness of the events.

Okay, WHO are the reliable eyewitnesses of the events:

1. Virgin Birth – Who can verify virginity and who witnessed the birth (and what do actual witnesses say)?
2. Talking snake; Talking donkey – Name of the witness to the event and what do they have to say to verify the story told?
3. Living in a fish – Name of witness to verify the story.
4. Resurrection – Who witnessed a body coming back to life?
5. Gospels – Who actually witnessed the conversations and actions (Christian scholars and theologians do not even agree about who wrote the gospels or when they were written – much less agreeing that they were eyewitness accounts)

Thus the biblical information is, going by the meaning of the word "verifiable".

1 : to establish the truth, accuracy, or reality of
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verified

Evidence is information whether that be testimonials, personal beliefs, historical accounts, and verifiable means is there a means of establishing whether something is true, since there is a way to establish if the testimonials and accounts in the bible are true then they amount to "verifiable evidence"

HOW, exactly, can one “establish the truth, accuracy, or reality of� ‘testimonials and accounts in the bible’?

[JehovahsWitness]

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It is possible to verify everything in the bible by speaking to a reliable eyewitness of the events.

Okay, WHO are the reliable eyewitnesses of the events:

God.


Thanks for asking.



JW