"Jesus said..."

[polonius]

Many "believers" use the claim about some subject that "Jesus said..."as proof for some doctrines.

Perhaps they overlook the dating of New Testament authorship.

Jesus lived from about 4 BC (Matthew) and died about 30 -33 AD.

Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh.

The gospels were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses.

Jesus left no writings himself.

So we really don't know what Jesus actually said.

[Checkpoint]

Checkpoint posted:

The fact is, Jesus is reported to have said:

Matthew 24:35b

...my words will never pass away.

RESPONSE:

Let's see. The person who "reported" this claim was not a witness and what is reported was written about 50 years after the fact.

Do you believe everything that the gospels report, or do accept the fact that some of it is clearly in error?

"If these claims are correct, early Christians did not link the four New Testament Gospels to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John because these individuals actually wrote the Gospels. The Gospels were, according to Bart Ehrman and many others, originally anonymous. According to this reconstruction, early Christians forged apostolic links in the second century in order to make these documents seem more authoritative. Ehrman’s proof for this supposition is the “wide variety� of different titles found among the Gospel manuscripts."

And if you look it up you will find that the gospel of Matthew was anonymously written (as were all of the gospels) , and only named by Papias about 135 AD.

Feel free to use any and many words.

They are viewpoints and opinions of modern critics.

I prefer to use few words and hold to what Jesus was reported 2000 years ago to have said.

[liamconnor]

[Replying to post 1 by polonius]

Many "believers" use the claim about some subject that "Jesus said..."as proof for some doctrines.

Perhaps they overlook the dating of New Testament authorship.

Jesus lived from about 4 BC (Matthew) and died about 30 -33 AD.

Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh.

The gospels were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses.

Jesus left no writings himself.

So we really don't know what Jesus actually said.

Many historians believe that Socrates said, "x". Socrates left us no writings. Will anyone please take a bold stance and say that historians of Socrates are gullible?

[polonius]

[Replying to post 1 by polonius]

Many "believers" use the claim about some subject that "Jesus said..."as proof for some doctrines.

Perhaps they overlook the dating of New Testament authorship.

Jesus lived from about 4 BC (Matthew) and died about 30 -33 AD.

Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh.

The gospels were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses.

Jesus left no writings himself.

So we really don't know what Jesus actually said.

Many historians believe that Socrates said, "x". Socrates left us no writings. Will anyone please take a bold stance and say that historians of Socrates are gullible?

RESPONSE: PLato was Socrates stenographer. The 4 gospel writers wrote 40-65 years after Jesus' death and these writings were not infrequently contrary like Jesus being crucified on Passover, or the day before Passover. One would think an event like that would be remembered.

And of course Mark omitted the Ascension. The story had to be written in about 150 years later.

And was Jesus born before 4 BC of in 6 AD?

[polonius]

[Replying to post 1 by polonius]

Many "believers" use the claim about some subject that "Jesus said..."as proof for some doctrines.

Perhaps they overlook the dating of New Testament authorship.

Jesus lived from about 4 BC (Matthew) and died about 30 -33 AD.

Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh.

The gospels were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses.

Jesus left no writings himself.

So we really don't know what Jesus actually said.

Many historians believe that Socrates said, "x". Socrates left us no writings. Will anyone please take a bold stance and say that historians of Socrates are gullible?

RESPONSE: PLato was Socrates stenographer. The 4 gospel writers wrote 40-65 years after Jesus' death and these writings were not infrequently contrary like Jesus being crucified on Passover, or the day before Passover. One would think an event like that would be remembered.

And of course Mark omitted the Ascension. The story had to be written in about 150 years later.

And was Jesus born before 4 BC of in 6 AD?

And did any of those 500 people Paul said saw the risen Jesus write this claim down?(Hint Paul wasn't. He did not return to Jerusalem until three years after the crucifixion.

And the evangelists reported no such Jesus sighting.