After the resurrection, why didn't Jesus stick around and usher in the Kingdom of God that he preached about during his pre-Easter ministry?
Why ascend? Is that just an convenient explanation of his disappearance?
I believe the Gospel of John offers an explanation, but does it make any sense? Do the Synoptics explain the reason for his ascension, his "not sticking around"?
Why didn't Jesus stick around?
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Why didn't Jesus stick around?
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Re: Why didn't Jesus stick around?
Post #61WHY DID JESUS LEAVE THE EARTH AFTER HIS RESSURRECTION?
#1 Jesus had to return to heaven to be in God's immediate presence to personaly present the value of his sacrifice to that One.
#2 He had completed all he came to the earth to do at that time and so it was fitting he return to heaven
#3 He was no longer human and while spirits visit earth for specific missions it is against God's purpose and order for his obedient spirit children to take up permanent residence on earth.
#5 As Michel the Archangel he had responsibilities in heaven to take care of.
#6 He missed being with his Father and wanted to go home.
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#1 Jesus had to return to heaven to be in God's immediate presence to personaly present the value of his sacrifice to that One.
#1 "For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself,so that he now appears before God on our behalf." - Hebrews 9:24
#2 He had completed all he came to the earth to do at that time and so it was fitting he return to heaven
#2 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." John 17: 4-5
#3 He was no longer human and while spirits visit earth for specific missions it is against God's purpose and order for his obedient spirit children to take up permanent residence on earth.
#4 Jesus could better achieve the next stage of his assignment from the elevated position of being with God in heaven than restricting himself to the earth.#3 "The first man Adam became a living person.� The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." -1 Cor 15:45 ( "... angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day," - Jude 1:6 NASB)
#4 "And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs. ... But about which of the angels has he ever said: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet�?" - Hebrews 1:4, 13
#5 As Michel the Archangel he had responsibilities in heaven to take care of.
#5 " And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled" - Revelation 12:7
#6 He missed being with his Father and wanted to go home.
#6 "The Father loves the Son." - John 3:35; ‘If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father," John 14:28
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Re: Why didn't Jesus stick around?
Post #62[Replying to post 61 by JehovahsWitness]
WHY DID CHRIST NOT USHER IN MESSIANIC RULE IN THE FIRST CENTURY?
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WHY DID CHRIST NOT USHER IN MESSIANIC RULE IN THE FIRST CENTURY?
- ♦ANSWER Quite simply because he had no right to do so. God himself had decided when that rule was to begin and Jesus had but to comply and wait until His Father's due time
ACTS 1:6-7
So when they had assembled, they asked him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?� He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdictionMATTHEW 24: 36
Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the FatherPSALMS 100:1, 2
Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.� Jehovah will extend the scepter of your power out of Zion, saying: “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies."
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Re: Why didn't Jesus stick around?
Post #63Elijah John wrote: After the resurrection, why didn't Jesus stick around and usher in the Kingdom of God that he preached about during his pre-Easter ministry?
Why ascend? Is that just an convenient explanation of his disappearance?
I believe the Gospel of John offers an explanation, but does it make any sense? Do the Synoptics explain the reason for his ascension, his "not sticking around"?
What do you see as Joh's explanation?
For me, the key to understanding the reason for his departure is in his statement that he will send the "comforter", which happens on Pentecost. The difference being that instead of God's will being manifest objectively through Christ, it is being manifest subjectively within each individual. Prior to Christ's departure, the disciples see Christ objectively, but on Pentecost they become aware of his Spirit within them.
For Christ to remain objectively, is to become an idolater, whereas when Christ's spirit is within, then Christ is seen everywhere in everyone.
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Re: Why didn't Jesus stick around?
Post #64[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
Jesus didn't stick around because when people die, they remain dead.
This is like asking why my great-grandfather isn't coming to my 62nd birthday party. He isn't coming because he died before I was born.
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Jesus didn't stick around because when people die, they remain dead.
This is like asking why my great-grandfather isn't coming to my 62nd birthday party. He isn't coming because he died before I was born.
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