When Jesus proclaimed the Gospel, the Good News,

[Elijah John]

When Jesus arrived on the scene and proclaimed the Gospel, what did he say?

Did he say: "Good news, your perfect, ransom sacrifice has arrived!" Or "Good news, now that I am here to die on the cross for you, your sins can be paid for, your sins can finally be forgiven"! ?

Why not, if those things are true, and Jesus believed them?

[otseng]

Perhaps you've overlooked the fact that most believers consider your claims to be both irrelevant and unreliable.

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[polonius]

Checkpoint posted:


Outlook noted:

Perhaps you've overlooked the fact that Jesus was executed about 33 A.D. and the Gospel of Matthew was written about 80 A.D. by a non- witness

Perhaps you've overlooked the fact that most believers consider your claims to be both irrelevant and unreliable.

RESPONSE: Really? How many believers did you actually survey before reaching your conclusion and making the statement above? Or can we consider it to be a statement without supporting evidence?

[Checkpoint]

Checkpoint posted:


Outlook noted:

Perhaps you've overlooked the fact that Jesus was executed about 33 A.D. and the Gospel of Matthew was written about 80 A.D. by a non- witness

Perhaps you've overlooked the fact that most believers consider your claims to be both irrelevant and unreliable.

RESPONSE: Really? How many believers did you actually survey before reaching your conclusion and making the statement above? Or can we consider it to be a statement without supporting evidence?

History is its own survey. Believers have been around since Matthew was written almost 2000 years ago. Modern critics/skeptics have been around a fraction of that time.

My statement stands, regardless of what your "we" considers it to be.

[MosesY]

You have to look at the ministry of Jesus as a whole, not just in sections of parts. The Jews are well aquainted with the requirement of a blood sacrifice for sin, their temple life depended on it. The life of Jesus was a ministry that was meant to prepare His disciples to carry on after He passed. Jesus also worked on preparing the Jews for salvation. Much of His ministry focused on the sad condition of their hearts; the Jews had become outwardly holy but inwardly were full of sin.

A key part of Jesus' ministry is found in John chapter 3. Nicodemus comes to Jesus and asks Him what he has to do to be saved. Jesus chides him for this question; Nicodemus was a leader of the Jews and he should have known the answer. The Old Testament talks in several places about the circumcised heart, the new heart that God gives a person when they are born new. The Jews had missed this by a long shot. They depended on their following of the law for salvation. The Old Testament says that Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Being born again is not new to the Jews, or at least should not have been; it was around since Abraham. In John 3:16 Jesus tells Nicodemus "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." This is such a basic concept to the Jewish faith that every Jew should have known it based on what was said in the Old Testament. What Jesus did was give milk to a baby; Nicodemus was an adult Jew, he should have been ready for the meat of the gospel and way past the milk stage.