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The Millennium, the 1000 years of Revelation 20...

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This thread stems from the following exchange between myself and Pinseeker:


PinSeeker wrote:

The millennium of Revelation 20 is not a future event. It was when Jeremiah prophesied, obviously, but is not anymore. Or, to be more exacting, it's no longer merely a future event.

Checkpoint asked:

Then why do so many believers think of it as yet future only?

Pinseeker explained:

For at least two reasons, I think:

1. A basic misunderstanding of Revelation as a whole, and the Millennium of chapter 20 included.

2. Many believers (primarily western believers) have bought into the heresy of the "rapture," which came about in the early 19th century. It's not that they are heretics, it's just that that's all they've ever been exposed to.
That's one take from one school of thought.

Your take may be similar or be completely different.

Please share it here, and tell us why you hold that position.

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Re: The Millennium, the 1000 years of Revelation 20...

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[Replying to post 80 by myth-one.com]

So long, myth-one. Peace, brother.

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PinSeeker wrote: [Replying to post 80 by myth-one.com]

So long, myth-one. Peace, brother.
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Re: The Millennium, the 1000 years of Revelation 20...

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myth-one.com wrote:
PinSeeker wrote: . . . we'll be like him, physical as can be.
Then we will have gained nothing.

We're physical now!
Gained nothing?? Everlasting life is nothing? What do you think Jesus meant when he said there will be a RESURRECTION? It literally means "standing up again." All humans who have died (with the exception of Jesus' "bride" of 144,000) will stand up again. If Jesus didn't resurrect them, they would be dead forever.

Isn't it gaining A LOT to re-gain your life and "stand up again" in your physical body to enjoy your life forever on the earth?

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onewithhim wrote:
myth-one.com wrote:
PinSeeker wrote: . . . we'll be like him, physical as can be.
Then we will have gained nothing.

We're physical now!
Gained nothing?? Everlasting life is nothing? What do you think Jesus meant when he said there will be a RESURRECTION? It literally means "standing up again." All humans who have died (with the exception of Jesus' "bride" of 144,000) will stand up again. If Jesus didn't resurrect them, they would be dead forever.

Isn't it gaining A LOT to re-gain your life and "stand up again" in your physical body to enjoy your life forever on the earth?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
No one gains everlasting life by being resurrected with a physical body!

If you're resurrected with a physical body you're back where you are now.

What have you gained?

Probably another painful death.

Ask yourself why you think this.

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Checkpoint wrote:
onewithhim wrote: [Replying to post 55 by Checkpoint]

The meaning of verse 5 focuses on the rest of the dead (other than the co-rulers with Christ) "coming to life" when the thousand years were ended. What does "coming to
life" actually mean? Does it mean that the dead are resurrected AFTER the thousand years? Or does it mean that these dead have passed the test, if you will, of accepting the truth about God and Christ during the Millennial Reign, and then living according to the "new scrolls" that were opened when Armageddon was over (Rev.20:12), then making themselves eligible for everlasting life? The fact that these formerly dead people have now proven their faithfulness to God and Christ makes them approved to live forever---thus "coming to life".....the real life, the life that will never end.

This makes the most sense to me, and it's not just because someone said that is what verse 5 means.
Thank you for further explaining what makes the most sense to you, onewithhim.

However, that explanation is only possible when what the verse says is directly contradicted.

The verse says "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were over", doesn't it?

What did you say?

"that these dead have passed the test...during the Millennial Reign", didn't you?

They cannot do that while they remain dead until that reign is over.

Why on earth do I have to spell that out to you?

Where are you, onewithhim?

Grace and peace.
The verse says that the rest of the dead (other than the ones who participated in the first resurrection, who will rule with Christ) "did not come to life" until the thousand years were completed (NASB ). The issue is: What does it mean, that they "did not come to life"? Why does it have to mean "they weren't resurrected" until the thousand years were over"? Why can't it mean that they weren't eligible to LIVE FOREVER (really "coming to life") until the end of the thousand years?

"Life" here means the real life---that is, ETERNAL life, not merely life given back to the dead. The rest of the dead truly were able to come to the REAL life---eternal life.

Paul even said that this life---just breathing---is not the real life.

"Instruct them to be good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is LIFE INDEED." (NASB)
(the life that is TRUE life) (NAB)

(the life that is TRULY LIFE) (NIV)


Is that not enough to show you that "life" to a Christian who is looking to live forever is just that---ETERNAL life? That unending life is the REAL life?

I think that is what Revelation 20:5 is speaking of, and I have not added anything to, or contradicted, the verse as it stands.


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[Replying to post 65 by PinSeeker]

I'm sorry, PinSeeker. I can tell that to reason with you would be fruitless. You don't seem to be seeking the truth of matters.

Anyone who can't see clearly that if Christ TOOK BACK the sacrifice of his physical body, we would remain in our sins, doesn't understand the idea of the redemption and the restoration of the fulfillment of God's plan for humans to live on the earth and take care of it (making it into a paradise). You don't see any worth in the first few verses in Genesis, where Jehovah expressed His purpose for mankind and the earth. You seem to have missed what God said to Adam about his death---that he would return to the dust. Nothing about a spirit Adam not really dying but leaving his body to go somewhere else.

The point was missed that it was Satan, not God, who said that people DON'T REALLY DIE when they die. (Genesis 3:4)

But I cannot reason with most of the folks here.

Peace to you.

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onewithhim wrote: The verse says that the rest of the dead (other than the ones who participated in the first resurrection, who will rule with Christ) "did not come to life" until the thousand years were completed (NASB ). The issue is: What does it mean, that they "did not come to life"? Why does it have to mean "they weren't resurrected" until the thousand years were over"? Why can't it mean that they weren't eligible to LIVE FOREVER (really "coming to life") until the end of the thousand years?
Everyone whose name was written in the Book of Life was resurrected in the first resurrection at the Second Coming. They are identified as "they that are Christ's."

Everyone resurrected a thousand years later are those who weren't eligible for everlasting life as you say -- as they are nonbelievers whose names were not written in the Book of Life.

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[Replying to post 70 by myth-one.com]

I think you missed something, myth. The 120 years refers to the amount of time mankind had before the flood would come. Noah himself lived to 950 years old. (Gen.9:29)

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[Replying to post 84 by myth-one.com]

How did you miss the point that when we are resurrected in a physical body we will then LIVE FOREVER? Could you pay stricter attention to what a person actually writes in their posts?

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onewithhim wrote: [Replying to post 84 by myth-one.com]

How did you miss the point that when we are resurrected in a physical body we will then LIVE FOREVER? Could you pay stricter attention to what a person actually writes in their posts?
I didn't miss that point.

No physical body lives forever.

That is why we must be born again of the Spirit to live forever.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6)
Man can live to about 120 years, spirits are immortal.

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