Now that Pope Benedict revoked the doctrine of Limbo and admitted that there never was evidence for "limbo" where unbaptized infants who died with original sin on their soul went, has the Catholic church dropped Augustine's claim based on a bible transnational error (the "in quo" error) that we were all born guilty of Adam's sin ( call original sin in all others) and deserved eternal punishment?
If so, has the Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, which was never believed by the Eastern Catholic Church, been revoked as well?
Is there any actual evidence for Original sin?
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Since I believe inherited sin is a direct result of rejecting the (far more benign) pre-earth creation of all people, this is just another way of saying that there is more empirical evidence for the doctrine of our pre-conception existence than any other doctrine in the Bible... which I've often suggested.Overcomer wrote: As Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias puts it, there is more empirical evidence for the doctrine of original sin than any other doctrine in the Bible.
The same evidence - two different interpretations of what it means: 1. GOD decrees all people including HIS Bride to be evil by making them humans inheriting Adam's sinfulness or 2. all sinners become sinners by their free will decison to rebel against GOD or HIS plans for us.
That is:
1. GOD creates evil or
2. GOD destroys evil.
...a house divided against itself cannot stand.
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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ttruscott: Since I believe inherited sin is a direct result of rejecting the (far more benign) pre-earth creation of all people, this is just another way of saying that there is more empirical evidence for the doctrine of our pre-conception existence than any other doctrine in the Bible... which I've often suggested.
William: Suggestion is hearsay. What is the evidence?
ttruscott: The same evidence - two different interpretations of what it means: 1. GOD decrees all people including HIS Bride to be evil by making them humans inheriting Adam's sinfulness or 2. all sinners become sinners by their free will decison to rebel against GOD or HIS plans for us.
That is:
1. GOD creates evil or
2. GOD destroys evil.
...a house divided against itself cannot stand.
William: The point that is continued to be ignored is that there is no evidence given to support the idea that Sheol was "far more benign" and even if it were, the only reason you have given as to 'why' the Eternal Beings there were against the claim that they were created, is because they cannot comprehend how they can be created when they always have existed.
You also portray these Eternal Beings as 'rebelling' because they did not believe the claims - and that their rebellion caused them to somehow have to 'act out' in an evil way.
That itself, makes not sense. Why would Eternal Beings decide to act out in an evil way just because they do not agree with the claim that they were created?
If you can answer that satisfactory, it would be helpful to your claim that your theology is truth.
ttruscott: Since I believe inherited sin is a direct result of rejecting the (far more benign) pre-earth creation of all people, this is just another way of saying that there is more empirical evidence for the doctrine of our pre-conception existence than any other doctrine in the Bible... which I've often suggested.
William: Suggestion is hearsay. What is the evidence?
ttruscott: The same evidence - two different interpretations of what it means: 1. GOD decrees all people including HIS Bride to be evil by making them humans inheriting Adam's sinfulness or 2. all sinners become sinners by their free will decison to rebel against GOD or HIS plans for us.
That is:
1. GOD creates evil or
2. GOD destroys evil.
...a house divided against itself cannot stand.
William: The point that is continued to be ignored is that there is no evidence given to support the idea that Sheol was "far more benign" and even if it were, the only reason you have given as to 'why' the Eternal Beings there were against the claim that they were created, is because they cannot comprehend how they can be created when they always have existed.
You also portray these Eternal Beings as 'rebelling' because they did not believe the claims - and that their rebellion caused them to somehow have to 'act out' in an evil way.
That itself, makes not sense. Why would Eternal Beings decide to act out in an evil way just because they do not agree with the claim that they were created?
If you can answer that satisfactory, it would be helpful to your claim that your theology is truth.
