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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:56 am  Slavery Reply with quote

Does anyone else think slavery is a universal?

If it is a universal then addressing it would be a valid topic in the Bible right?

Hierarchy is universal as well, there will always be a top and bottom. The best we can hope for is a bottom with tvs and fridges and microwaves and cell phones right?
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When the Mosaic law describes when, where, and how one must free their slaves, it's about freeing slaves QED When the fact that no other neighboring societies provided these regulations dealing with the way in which slaves were to be freed, that should be more than enough evidence to show that a slaves best option was to be enslaved by an observant Jew. That was their only ticket to freedom.



This is only true for Jewish slaves. Other slaves are allowed to be kept permanently.


And you're not only conflating the difference between what one is allowed to do with what they will do, but assuming that they would just because they could. They were allowed to free their slaves regardless of whether they were native or foreign born.

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This is not a hidden fact even though those who try to support the Biblical method of slavery often ignore.


Could be. Given that I'm not ignoring it, do you have anything else to add? Perhaps the fact that some ignore the fact that a Jew could free his slaves regardless of their status? In fact, an observant Jew could simply purchase a foreign born slaves freedom and immediately set them free. Some could do it out of the kindness of their heart while others could do it just to show off their piety. Some Jews just simply have so much money to burn that they burn through it just for the fun of it. That's what it was like to be an observant Jew with a lot of money.

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Tcg wrote:

shnarkle wrote:

[Replying to post 16 by William]

When the Mosaic law describes when, where, and how one must free their slaves, it's about freeing slaves QED When the fact that no other neighboring societies provided these regulations dealing with the way in which slaves were to be freed, that should be more than enough evidence to show that a slaves best option was to be enslaved by an observant Jew. That was their only ticket to freedom.



This is only true for Jewish slaves. Other slaves are allowed to be kept permanently.


And you're not only conflating the difference between what one is allowed to do with what they will do, but assuming that they would just because they could. They were allowed to free their slaves regardless of whether they were native or foreign born.

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This is not a hidden fact even though those who try to support the Biblical method of slavery often ignore.


Could be. Given that I'm not ignoring it, do you have anything else to add? Perhaps the fact that some ignore the fact that a Jew could free his slaves regardless of their status? In fact, an observant Jew could simply purchase a foreign born slaves freedom and immediately set them free. Some could do it out of the kindness of their heart while others could do it just to show off their piety. Some Jews just simply have so much money to burn that they burn through it just for the fun of it. That's what it was like to be an observant Jew with a lot of money.



I have pointed out the fact that you, along with many others, ignore what the Bible actually says. You, along with many others, misrepresent the facts of Biblical slavery.

I am simply stating the reality of what the Bible states. I don't expect you, or many others, to admit this reality, but I have done my part in presenting what the Bible actually states.

Readers who are interested in the truth will research this issue and find that I am the one properly presenting the Biblical standards of slavery.


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shnarkle: Your argument that slavery encourages possessiveness is not an argument.

William: I am not arguing that.
My argument is that the Mosaic law itself supports disparity because it is based upon ideals involving possessions and ownership.

Your argument that it can help humanity step in the direction of helping create a system of parity is silly because of that.


shnarkle: As the bible says, "your slave is your money". Your employee/slave makes you all that money so you take care of them better than anyone else will so they will stay, and continue making you lots of money.

William: Making money is not possible other than within the laws of disparity.
If one loves money, one supports the systems of disparity.
The modern day enslavement you are speaking about which you argue is inferior to how the Mosaic law demanded human owners treated their human property, has its roots in said law due to the aspects of said law of which I have already pointed out.

Essentially then, the Mosaic law has clearly contributed to the modern day enslavement you are speaking about, because it supports possession and ownership.

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I have pointed out the fact that you, along with many others, ignore what the Bible actually says. You, along with many others, misrepresent the facts of Biblical slavery.


I just pointed out the facts which you're still ignoring.

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I am simply stating the reality of what the Bible states.


What you've done is to oversimplify it beyond credulity.

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I don't expect you, or many others, to admit this reality,


At least you have the courtesy to admit it is a particular reality; i.e. yours.

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but I have done my part in presenting what the Bible actually states.


Thanks for portraying the "straight man" so we can provide the punchline to your joke.

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Readers who are interested in the truth will research this issue and find that I am the one properly presenting the Biblical standards of slavery.


Readers who have researched this issue already know that slavery has been a fact of life throughout human history, and there is undoubtedly no better standard for treating a slave than that found in the Hebrew scriptures. They treated their slaves better than employers do their employees today in first world countries.('Study')

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