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I just finished watching "Boy Erased", starring Russell Crowe, and Nicole Kidman. It's based upon the true story of the son of a Baptist preacher who is raped by a fellow freshman in his college dorm room, and discovers that he's gay.

The movie is a bit of a propaganda piece, and doesn't just make Christianity look bad, but differing forms of Christianity as well. The baptist preacher is a traditional Christian unable to approach the subject except to consult the Mosaic law which, if their son is unwilling to change; requires banishment from their home.

The church elders all view this young man as if he were possessed by a demon, and send him to a conversion therapy program which is also portrayed as a bit backward and inept in its methods.

The fellow freshman who rapes the preacher's son is a sociopathic predator who attends the local Christian church which is at the other end of the spectrum. It's one of those modern, contemporary churches with the rock band and the "easy believism" grace message. He's already raped a few of the other young men in the congregation, and right after raping this young man, immediately, with tears of self condemnation in his eyes, asks for forgiveness. He then calls his victim's mother, and posing as a counselor at the college, proceeds to inform her that her son is having some mental problems, etc. This is what forces the issue of conversion therapy onto the preacher's son.

There are innumerable success stories of conversion therapies leading young men and women to live normal lives, which makes this issue all the more controversial. If the methods depicted in the movie are accurate, it is quite disturbing that this kind of thing is still happening. I suspect that all conversion therapies are not alike.

The movie's main objective was to spotlight the backward thinking of Christianity as well as how dangerous it truly can be. Too many children are subjected to these therapies and the results are seen to be catastrophic mental problems including suicide. The obvious conclusion is more transparency and access to the Church as well as the State stepping in to stop the church from injuring the State's property.

I'm not sure I buy much of that. It's hard to tell from a Hollywood movie with an agenda. However, the thing that did occur to me was the double standard that exists within Christianity. This wasn't a theme of the movie, except perhaps in passing when the preacher's son rejects the advances of his girlfriend, and the father talks about how much he's looking forward to being a grandfather.

So why is it that these conversion therapies don't include heterosexual fornication? This is no less severe a violation of God's law, and according to Paul, leaves one exposed to certain damnation.

Modern day Christianity doesn't seem to have a problem with their sons and daughters fornicating. For some reason this is looked upon with complicit resignation if not blissful acceptance. One has to wonder how most Christians are unable to see themselves as modern day Pharisees, coming up with methodologies and therapies to deal with the sins of others while excusing their own.

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shnarkle wrote:


The movie is a bit of a propaganda piece, and doesn't just make Christianity look bad, but differing forms of Christianity as well. The baptist preacher is a traditional Christian unable to approach the subject except to consult the Mosaic law which, if their son is unwilling to change; requires banishment from their home.




There is no need to make Christianity look bad, it is bad. It's homophobic roots and current homophobic actions reveal that fact.


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Tcg wrote:

shnarkle wrote:


The movie is a bit of a propaganda piece, and doesn't just make Christianity look bad, but differing forms of Christianity as well. The baptist preacher is a traditional Christian unable to approach the subject except to consult the Mosaic law which, if their son is unwilling to change; requires banishment from their home.




There is no need to make Christianity look bad, it is bad. It's homophobic roots and current homophobic actions reveal that fact.


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And yet there are those who are incapable of doing anything but trying to make Christianity look bad. Some people just assume that we're all a bunch of ignorant morons that need to have this pointed out to us continuously. It's become their mission in life to wake up the population to this obvious reality which apparently they believe isn't as obvious as it should be.

How about addressing the main point of the post('Question')

The real fear is coming not from Christianity, but from those who view it as a threat. for them it is truly a matter of their own Christo-phobia. Wink

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In terms of any true conversion at all, we're speaking about psychiatric restoration of true self by Best practice psychiatry and the 3-step method of ECT (scientific), Olanzepine (Zyprexa) and medical sleep assistance (morphine or other granting 8 hrs of sleep every night).

This may speak wonders for "conversion" and all sorts of addictions, also to alcohol as treatment of any schizophrenia under the Schizophrenia Category, 2 category system.

Note: the patient may need 5 to 10 years under this program, but positive effects should be witnessed after the first 24 hours.

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Aetixintro wrote:

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In terms of any true conversion at all,


The True Scotsman Fallacy.

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we're speaking about psychiatric restoration of true self by Best practice psychiatry and the 3-step method of ECT (scientific), Olanzepine (Zyprexa) and medical sleep assistance (morphine or other granting 8 hrs of sleep every night).


Sounds like you're working for Big Pharma. I seriously doubt playing around with people's brain chemistry is going to do much of anything to help their underlying problem; it only deals with superficial symptoms, and that's not real conversion at all.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 6: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:21 pm
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I doubt you know what you are talking about. For instance, let's assume you're close to either side of depression or schizophrenia and try out some for yourself. Let's have the result of that, please.

The effect of medicine of magnitude such that a bedridden depressed person can become fully functional and social within hours of taking the best medication there is for depression.

Similarly, the schizophrenic can be all closed down to oneself and nowhere to remove oneself than under the bed or so, wherever a dark corner is. Then, within the first 12 hours of medical treatment, totally changes behaviour in such a fashion that they now have social abilities and work well with other people, not fixated with some crazy ideas.

Certainly, you can't leave out the external circumstances so there must be a place for this to work, like a hospital "where the first steps can be taken" so as to grow a sense of confidence in surroundings and a sense of security and trust in other people who are really there for them!

When these things happen, it seems a failure to buy the argument that "I do not believe in it!" It is science, surely! The other side is failure and death for people with mental illnesses. It's gravely serious.
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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 7: Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:08 am
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To doubt the science of psychiatry in 2019, you can start to doubt these as well:
1. Antibiotics
2. Soaps, especially the effective ones, the best

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