1 Corinthians 8 - Shema Jesus

[Wootah]

1 Corinthians 8 English Standard Version (ESV)
Food Offered to Idols
1 Now concerning[a] food offered to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.� This “knowledge� puffs up, but love builds up. 2 If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. 3 But if anyone loves God, he is known by God.

4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,� and that “there is no God but one.� 5 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods� and many “lords�— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Here Paul references the Shema in verse 4. Paul knows, "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one".

Then Paul says this about God in verse 6:

God is the Father for whom we exist and the Lord Jesus Christ through whom we exist.

Anyone not clearly able to see that Paul believes the Shema and includes the Father and Jesus in the concept of God?

https://biblehub.com/psb/1_corinthians/8.htm

https://biblehub.com/greek/2962.htm

[JehovahsWitness]

So you feel that Paul in verse 6, after mentioning the shema, fails to only talk about God?

He couldn't even write one sentence on God after mentioning the Shema without mentioning not God?

I cannot answer these questions because they seem to be utter gibberish. I stated what I feel as clearly as I know how. Feel free to rephrase your question (preferably omitting double negatives ).

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 10 by Wootah]

The natural reading is the one that takes the verse as is. If someone says

"I have one English teacher, Mr Grey and one French Teacher, Mme DuPont.

....the natural reading is not to conclude they have just called Mme Dupont their ENGLISH Teacher.


This "contorted", distorted, unatural and quite frankly perverted* interpretation is what you are doing with Paul's very clear statement.


* NOTE I am not calling you a pervert, I am saying the interpretation is "perverted" ie. it fails to conform to the meaning and grammatical indications of the words in the text

1 Corinthians 8 (ESV)

....there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ...

....there is one PRESIDENT, Donald Trump, who leads the nation, and one Vice President, Joe Biden...

Are you going to conclude the "natural reading" is that the above has just called Joe Biden the President?




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[Wootah]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

Not so fast your examples are incorrect.

If I said now I am going to talk about the President and then I mentioned the Vice President I would be using unnatural language. In your example if you announced and now I am going to talk about the President and then wrote, "There is one PRESIDENT, Donald Trump, who leads the nation, and one Vice President, Joe Biden."

The only option to clear up that confusion would be something like this, "There is one PRESIDENT, Donald Trump, who leads the nation, and a person who is not the President but called the Vice President, Joe Biden."

The above would be extremely confusing. It's only not confusing because we know the topic of Presidents.

Try this one: "We are talking about trees. Coniferous trees like the Pine and deciduous trees like the Oak."

Now are we talking about Trees or two different things?
What is the natural reading of the text?

[Eloi]

[Replying to Wootah]

Wootah, why do you want to twist Paul's words so desperately?

1 Cor. 8:4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods� and many “lords,� 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

[Wootah]

[Replying to Wootah]

Wootah, why do you want to twist Paul's words so desperately?

1 Cor. 8:4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods� and many “lords,� 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

I made a thread you might be interested in on Echad
viewtopic.php?t=36157

[Elijah John]

[Replying to Wootah]

1 Cor. 8:4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods� and many “lords,� 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Though Paul had an extremely high Christology (verse 6 "..Jesus Christ through whom all things are and we through him") he was no Trinitarian. In verse 6 Paul also identifies only the Father as God. A true Trinitarian would have said something like " there is actually to us one God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit". But he didn't.

[onewithhim]

1 Corinthians 8 English Standard Version (ESV)
Food Offered to Idols
1 Now concerning[a] food offered to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.� This “knowledge� puffs up, but love builds up. 2 If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. 3 But if anyone loves God, he is known by God.

4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,� and that “there is no God but one.� 5 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods� and many “lords�— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Here Paul references the Shema in verse 4. Paul knows, "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one".

Then Paul says this about God in verse 6:

God is the Father for whom we exist and the Lord Jesus Christ through whom we exist.

Anyone not clearly able to see that Paul believes the Shema and includes the Father and Jesus in the concept of God?

https://biblehub.com/psb/1_corinthians/8.htm

https://biblehub.com/greek/2962.htm

Absolutely not. (Bible Hub should fold its tent and go home.)
Paul clearly differentiates between God and Jesus.

"Even though there are so-called gods...just as there are many 'gods' and many 'lords,' there is actually to us one God, THE FATHER, from whom all things are...and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are." (I Cor.8:5,6)

One God => THE FATHER. Period.

The Father is the Source of all things, and Jesus is the one through whom God created. They obviously conferred together when the creation occurred.

[brianbbs67]

My opinion on the quoted verse is Paul is talking to them about the eating of meat offered to idols. Back then it could inadvertently happen as these meats went quickly to sale after the idol worship occurred. It appears paul is reassuring the people that if they in advertantly ate meat sacrificed to idols, it is of no matter. See Acts for the Jerusalem council decision.