Pray Gay Away!

JJ50 · Post by **JJ50** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:55 am

https://www.gayly.com/blackwell-oklahom ... ay-awayâ€�

If this story is true the church members are a bunch of evil psychos who should be prosecuted and the church closed.

Post by **Tcg** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:27 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:

Homosexual activity is condemned in the bible and while someone may always have to struggle with such urges they can break free from a homosexual lifestyle and become Christians and still lead happy and productive lives.

Or they can be actively gay, continue to be Christians, and lead happy and productive lives.

Just as this couple does.

Post by **Tcg** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:46 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:
A person can live with same sex attraction and be a Christian but the bible is clear, one cannot be an unrepentant fornicator (whether it is same sex or heterosexual activity) and be part of the true Christian congregation.

I think it is up to each individual to decide what it means to be a Christian. Likewise, they can decide for themselves whether or not they are convinced they are part of a true Christian congregation.

There are plenty of true Christian congregations that have actively gay attendees, members, and clergy.

Tcg

Zzyzx · Post by **Zzyzx** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:53 pm

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: Homosexual activity is condemned in the bible
As is remarriage, eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics. So what?
So people that respect the bible and believe it is the Word of God do not engage it.

Is this to say that people who â€˜respect the bible and believe it is the word of godâ€™ do NOT remarry (if divorced for reasons other than infidelity), do NOT eat shellfish, do not wear mixed fabrics?

Or is â€˜the word of godâ€™ optional when convenient â€“ just respected some of the time?

JehovahsWitness wrote: One cannot be one of Jehovah's Witnesses for example, live an openly gay lifestyle as our religion is based on the bible.

If a person is not open about their homosexuality can they be â€˜one of Jehovahâ€™s Witnessesâ€™?

Is a person disfellowshipped if found out to be homosexual (overt or covert)?

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: and while someone may always have to struggle with such urges they can break free from a homosexual lifestyle
Is this claim based on personal experience, testimonials, ....?
Yes.

Congratulations on breaking free of the lifestyle (if that is what you wanted to do).

If one â€˜has such urgesâ€™ havenâ€™t they already committed the sin according to Jesus saying, â€œBut I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heartâ€� Mat 5:28

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Zzyzx wrote: Can a person not be a Christian if they are homosexual?
A person can live with same sex attraction and be a Christian but the bible is clear, one cannot be an unrepentant fornicator (whether it is same sex or heterosexual activity) and be part of the true Christian congregation.

Can one be part of the â€˜true Christian congregationâ€™ (whatever that may mean) if the fornicate occasionally (hetero or homo sexual) as long as they â€˜repentâ€™ each time?

Is there a limit on the number of times one can sin and repent but then fall back to sin and repent again?

JehovahsWitness wrote: We dont imposse our beliefs on others but we reserve the same right to voice them as anyone else.

Do you impose your beliefs on children?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:14 pm

Zzyzx wrote: Is this to say that people who â€˜respect the bible and believe it is the word of godâ€™ do NOT remarry (if divorced for reasons other than infidelity), do NOT eat shellfish, do not wear mixed fabrics?

That is correct. Jehovah's Witnesses for example do not accept divorce on any grounds except that of adultery. (dietary and fabric laws were part of the Mosaic Law which we do not believe Christians are under).

JW

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JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:19 pm

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THE MOSAIC LAW

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Does the bible say the Mosaic law has been "abolished"?
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ABOLISHMENT OF THE MOSAIC LAW

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Did Jesus not say he had not come to abolish the law [Mat 5:17] ?
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Does Mat 5:18 not indicate that none of the Mosaic law would ever pass away?
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Did Christ indicate that his death would signal the end of the Jewish obligation to obey the Mosaic law?
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Did Jesus instruct NON-JEWISH believers to observe the Mosaic law?
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Did Jesus indicate he came start a "new" religion ?
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JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:41 pm

Zzyzx wrote:
Do you impose your beliefs on children?

Do you?

I suspect that we both have a similar attitude to parental rights, as do most balanced individuals, namely parents have the right to educate their children as they see fit as long as the law is respected and they have the children's well being in mind.

JW

Zzyzx · Post by **Zzyzx** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:46 pm

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JehovahsWitness wrote: (dietary and fabric laws were part of the Mosaic Law which we do not believe Christians are under).

Pretty convenient â€“ anyone can â€˜follow the rulesâ€™ if they can pick and choose which ones apply to them.

So, the Bible isnâ€™t Godâ€™s word?

If God gave rules arenâ€™t those to be obeyed?

What gives anyone or any group the authority to say, â€œHa ha, those rules from God donâ€™t apply to us â€“ only to other peopleâ€�?

Arenâ€™t the fabled Ten Commandments Mosaic? Why claim to revere them while ignoring others from the same source?

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Zzyzx wrote: Do you impose your beliefs on children?
Do you?

I absolutely DO NOT

JehovahsWitness wrote: I suspect that we both have a similar attitude to parental rights,

I guarantee that we do NOT have similar attitudes toward parental rights.

My position is that parents have an OBLIGATION to equip (teach) their offspring to deal effectively with the real world we inhabit (not just some cloistered environment) and to use their power of reasoning and judgment to decide the best course of action for themselves as soon as they are able (without indoctrination). This includes teaching children the mores of their overall culture â€“ not limited to some in-group attitudes and limitations.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:53 am

Zzyzx wrote:
My position is that parents have an OBLIGATION to equip (teach) their offspring to deal effectively with the real world we inhabit (not just some cloistered environment) and to use their power of reasoning and judgment to decide the best course of action for themselves as soon as they are able (without indoctrination). This includes teaching children the mores of their overall culture â€“ not limited to some in-group attitudes and limitations.

That is exactly my position. When a parent has done the above they have done their job well.

JW

JJ50 · Post by **JJ50** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:14 am

I know of a number of gay Christians including a nephew-in-law of mine.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:38 am

Zzyzx wrote: ...and, above all, stop claiming knowledge of proposed supernatural entities

Who are you to tell me or anyone else what I may claim and what I may not claim. Your not the boss of me and the last time I looked freedom of speech was a basic human right.

You are free to decide how you react to any claims you hear but if someone wants to claim to be the estranged son of Xerkraz the souvereign King of the planet Vlog, they are free to do so. As long as they don't incite to violence that's just part of this crazy world we live in.

JW