What does one call...?

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What does one call...?

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Bear with me on this one, there will be a reveal where this is attached to religion.

What do you call someone who still defends actions when they have been shown to be morally wrong?
Who will not change their belief despite the irrationality of it?
That can be shown evidence and not change their stance?
That can be shown proof and deny it is proof?
That will warp facts to suit their personal belief?
That even after one has fulfilled there burden of proof, will end the conversation with, "well I don't believe that..."?
Who will claim with pride that nothing can get them to change their minds?

What does one call this kind of debater?

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[Replying to post 10 by Zzyzx]

Sorry, and those who are NOT on the forum who may be described this way?

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Willum wrote: Sorry, and those who are NOT on the forum who may be described this way?
Forum Rules and decorum also apply to people not present here.

I must trust readers to apply their own terminology. We can, however, point out errors in positions and 'reasoning'.
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[Replying to post 12 by Zzyzx]

Hmmm, so what about those who would be proud of these tactics?

Like those Satanists* "as seen on TV," those who practice the usurping of God, virgin sacrifice and all that is unholy?
We could call them demon-worshipers could we not? Without violating any kind of rules - those that practice these techniques, who would also be proud of them, and particularly successes of them?

No?

* = To distinguish them from Anton Lavay's Satanists, or other modern people claiming to be Satanists with very different practices.

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[Replying to post 13 by Willum]

The focus of the DC&R Forum is civility. We can debate without personal remarks. Let's debate ideas rather than persons or personalities.

Pushing the limits of tolerance is indication of weakness in arguments -- not strength.
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[Replying to post 14 by Zzyzx]

Nay, so I think we can call those people proud of those techniques what they wish to be called, safely.
It is a segue from the intent of the original post, which I’d hoped would invoke a germane noun, but does answer a broader question.
This is a test: Had this been an actual revolution, the virus would have been much stronger.

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Who would be proud these tactics?

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Moderator Zzyzx did an excellent job of answering the OPs points. Especially post 22. There is no point now in continuing this thread, which,( in effect ), is calling for the respondent to name-call in order to answer the OP directly. And that would violate forum rules. Name calling amounts to either a personal attack, rant or a blanket statement.

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-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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