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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 1: Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:24 pm
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Christianity is dying in New Zealand

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For the first time ever non-theist numbers are greater than Christian numbers in New Zealand.

Christianity is clearly dying rapidly in New Zealand.

The results of the 2018 census are just out and the trend continues for the death of Christianity here, while atheism and agnosticism skyrockets.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/no-religion-officially-overtakes-chr...



And the percentage of, Jehovah's Witnesses has also been decreasing. From .46 to .43 percent of the population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_New_Zealand

Australia follows a similar trend to New Zealand although not so dramatic.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 2: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:02 am
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About time , eh?

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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Sure. Now all we have to wait for is that "man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Any day now I suppose... or not.


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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 4: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:17 pm
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ttruscott wrote:

About time , eh?


Christians have been insisting the end is near for the last 2000 years. They're always seeing signs of the end times, but it never turns out to be the case.


ttruscott wrote:

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;[/color]


Paul is the absolute worst person you could quote when it comes to end times.
You're cutting off your own legs by referring to these verses. Those words from Paul show us he clearly expected it in his life time (see under lined part). In fact he was very concerned about people falling from the faith right back then! "At hand" certainly does not mean 2000 years later. And you can't use the whole "1000 years is like a day to God" argument for Paul.

Paul seemed to believe that the final act before Christ's return was revival and the gospel being preached to all the world, which he believed had occurred:

Col 1:23: “If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister

Rightly or wrongly he believed the gospel had been preached to the entire world. So if he was wrong about that why would you ever take any of his other words relating to the end times seriously?

The thing is look at the time lines. Thesselonians were Paul's earliest letters. One of his last ones, 12 years later was the book of Colossions. So we go from him warning about people falling away to him rejoicing about the gospel being preached to the entire world.

And if you continue reading 1 Thess:

1Th 4:17-18
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

The key words being "we".

These words were directed specifically at the Thesselonians there in the churches. So Paul clearly beleived most of them would be there at the end and told them to take comfort because he believed it was about to happen.

There are many other similar things Paul wrote, but I won't bother to post them as I'm sure you've seen them before.

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