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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:46 pm  The Foundations of Truth and Knowledge Reply with quote

I am ever more convinced that the foundations of Truth and Knowledge lay on the Truth of God. That is to say of wisdom and knowledge, of truth, of Law and convictions and freewill, of human history, humanity and our relationships, morality, of "good" and "bad", what ought to be, science, ect. Of all the truths our society rest upon in order for it to function properly...

For instance, without law, or objective standards of "right" and "wrong", which our entire court system rest upon, society would break down without such truths.

Or for instance, freewill is also a necessity for holding people accountable for there actions, but all to often you see nonbelievers (usually upon scientific materialism) arguing that everything is predetermined and free will is a myth... If that were true our society and its laws would fall apart.

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"It is difficult to reconcile the intuitive evidence that conscious decisions are causally effective with the view that the physical world can be explained entirely by physical law. The conflict between intuitively felt freedom and natural law arises when either causal closure or physical determinism (nomological determinism) is asserted. With causal closure, no physical event has a cause outside the physical domain, and with physical determinism, the future is determined entirely by preceding events (cause and effect).

The puzzle of reconciling 'free will' with a deterministic universe is known as the problem of free will or sometimes referred to as the dilemma of determinism. This dilemma leads to a moral dilemma as well: the question of how to assign responsibility for actions if they are caused entirely by past events"
(Wikipedia "Free will")

I believe we have God given Freedoms that can certainly rest, coherently, on a foundation of God, a law giver and the first mover, or unmoved mover, "or principle of divine reason and creative order [the Word of God]" ("Logos definition, our foundation of "Logic")

https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&client=firefox-b-1-ab&ei=KaKTXeb0NJed-gSd8bDABQ&q=logos+define&oq=logos+define&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l4j0i22i10i30j0i22i30l5.7181.8044..8174...0.3..0.96.590.7......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i131i67j0i131j0i67j0i10.n1jENkrSzco&ved=0ahUKEwimra2p3_vkAhWXjp4KHZ04DFgQ4dUDCAo&uact=5

Or in our foundation for Physics, Aristotle wrote in the book titled "Physics"..

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Aristotle argues, in Book 8 of the Physics and Book 12 of the Metaphysics, "that there must be an immortal, unchanging being, ultimately responsible for all wholeness and orderliness in the sensible world".
(Wikipedia, "unmoved mover")

This is about grappling with abstract concepts of knowledge and consciousness. I am convinced there is no better place to go to to study about human law, then the Bible.

Like Simon Greenleaf, and founder of Harvard Law School and expert on "evidence" is quoted saying...

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Of the Divine character of the Bible, I think, no man who deals honestly with his own mind and heart can entertain a reasonable doubt, For myself, I must say, that having for many years made the evidences of Christianity the subject of close study, the result has been a firm and increasing conviction of the authenticity and plenary inspiration of the Bible. It is indeed the Word of God.
(Simon Greeleaf)

All the while i have seen atheist philosophers argue that even our logical reasoning, or "inductive" reasoning, ought not to make sense... It is called the "problem of induction", which without God, our logical reasoning isnt even justified upon itself... And yes science needs to rest on inductive reasoning, if without God...


Our society would break down without a foundation for all these aspects of truth and knowledge.

This is what the Bible says in John (Where the "Word" is from the Greek word "Logos").
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.


Which is interesting, itst it? The "word", or human communication is a necessity for knowledge.. And that is what this is all about, isnt it? For instance, the story of Adam and Eve is about humans coming into consciousness, and gaining knowledge... That is what the Tree of "knowledge of Good and Evil", has also been translated as, the "Tree of Consciousness"..

And isnt it funny that sources say:

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What is the beginning of human history?

In terms of world history, recorded history is first seen in accounts of the ancient world, around the 4th millenium BC. This coincides with the invention of writing.....
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-beginning-of-human-history?fbclid=IwAR05WRxiJa...

Marking that about 6000 years ago, when history began with the word.

And, isnt it funny that, that Genesis names the rivers going through the Garden of Eden, that are now known in Southern Mesopotamia modern day Iraq.
And that:


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History of the world
[Where did human history begin?]
"Early civilizations arose first in Lower Mesopotamia (3000 BCE)..."..

"Whether in prehistoric or historic times, people always needed to be near reliable sources of potable water. Settlements developed on river banks as early as 3000 BCE in Mesopotamia"
(History of the world)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_world?fbclid=IwAR3NfpSEADS9GzT9OF...

This is literally human records. This is human ancestor... Where do you think our fathers go back to? The "Father of Many" Abraham... Our lineages have been recorded as far as we could start to write them down. The history of our laws, our knowledge, and humanity as we know it.

It lays on a foundation of God.
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Yes absolutely... but first is this the right topic for this?


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