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Do you consider yourself to be a Leftist or Liberal?

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Leftist or Liberal?

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Based on the definitions of Leftist and Liberal in this video, how would you identify?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIjMJBSnRE

Would you agree with Dennis Prager's characterization of Leftist and Liberal?

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Daedalus X wrote: Would you agree with Dennis Prager's characterization of Leftist and Liberal?
Nah, leftism and liberalism is pretty much the same thing.

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Then what would you call someone from the left wing that believes that race is unimportant. Believes that the world should have many free sovereign nations. And America and western civilization are basically good and have contributed many good things to the modern world. And all people should have the freedom of speech, even speech that we disagree with?

Then what would you call someone from the left wing that believes that race is important and people should promote their own race over others. There should be one sovereign world government. Capitalism is evil and socialism is good. America is evil. Western civilization is another word for white supremacy. Hate speech should be illegal, and he or she gets to define "hate"?

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Daedalus X wrote: Then what would you call someone from the left wing that believes that race is unimportant. Believes that the world should have many free sovereign nations. And America and western civilization are basically good and have contributed many good things to the modern world. And all people should have the freedom of speech, even speech that we disagree with?

Then what would you call someone from the left wing that believes that race is important and people should promote their own race over others. There should be one sovereign world government. Capitalism is evil and socialism is good. America is evil. Western civilization is another word for white supremacy. Hate speech should be illegal, and he or she gets to define "hate"?
Liberals or leftist, I don't care which. As I told you, they are pretty much the same thing. The two person described here hold pretty much the same views: racism is wrong, worldwide cooperation is an important goal, freedom is good but has limitations. Indeed, you may even be describing just one person.

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Bust Nak wrote: Liberals or leftist, I don't care which. As I told you, they are pretty much the same thing. The two person described here hold pretty much the same views: racism is wrong, worldwide cooperation is an important goal, freedom is good but has limitations. Indeed, you may even be describing just one person.
I asked a conservative to respond True or False to three statements.

1- Racism is wrong. True
2- Worldwide cooperation is an important goal. True
3- Freedom is good but has limitations. True

Shall we then say "conservative, liberal or leftist, they are pretty much the same thing, they all hold pretty much the same views"?

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Daedalus X wrote: I asked a conservative to respond True or False to three statements.

1- Racism is wrong. True
2- Worldwide cooperation is an important goal. True
3- Freedom is good but has limitations. True

Shall we then say "conservative, liberal or leftist, they are pretty much the same thing, they all hold pretty much the same views"?
Sure, it would just be rather odd for such a conservative to not side with the left/liberalism. He must feel very strongly about some other issue to overrule these leftist/liberal ideals.

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Re: Leftist or Liberal?

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Daedalus X wrote:Then what would you call someone from the left wing that believes...
Since there's a long list of individual political goals that would each correspond to "left" or "right", you're bound to find people that don't fit cleanly into one set or the other. Someone with predominantly progressive views, but nonetheless politically opposes abortion would still be "left wing" if we are only allowed to pick one or the other.
Daedalus X wrote:...that race is unimportant.
That depends on what you mean. I think you mean that in a broad sense neither an individual nor government policies should be racist. If that's what you mean, then "left wing."
Daedalus X wrote:Believes that the world should have many free sovereign nations.
I don't recall the number of nations being a left/right thing. If someone thinks each of those sovereign nations should provide health care for its citizens, then he or she is probably left wing.
Daedalus X wrote:And America and western civilization are basically good and have contributed many good things to the modern world.
If the person thinks that the way America is doing thing now is good and shouldn't be changed, then they're probably conservative by definition. One can also recognize that the US has contributed many good things, but has done so by unfairly explotiing people.
Daedalus X wrote:And all people should have the freedom of speech, even speech that we disagree with?
Left wing.
Daedalus X wrote:Then what would you call someone from the left wing that believes that race is important and people should promote their own race over others.
Right wing. If that person is otherwise progressive, then "left wing, but racist."
Daedalus X wrote:There should be one sovereign world government.
If that person thinks that the sovereign world government should be the tool of a wealthy oligarchy, then right wing. If the government strives for a high quality of life for all of its citizens, then left wing.
Daedalus X wrote:Capitalism is evil and socialism is good. America is evil. Western civilization is another word for white supremacy.
Hear, hear!
Daedalus X wrote:Hate speech should be illegal, and he or she gets to define "hate"?
Mr. President.

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Daedalus X wrote: Based on the definitions of Leftist and Liberal in this video, how would you identify?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIjMJBSnRE

Would you agree with Dennis Prager's characterization of Leftist and Liberal?
I don't know why any of this pertains to religion since nothing in these posts address it, but allow me to interject:

Leftists would undoubtedly curb or eliminate religion's influence (making a martyr of itself). Communism in all worldly forms have done or tried to do this -- not a good idea!

Liberals would not emphasize religion, but adhere to the US Constitution's first Ten Amendments guaranteeing freedom of such (so that religion is free to embarrass itself).
What good is truth if its value is not more than unproven, handed-down faith?

One believes things because one is conditioned to believe them. -Aldous Huxley

Fear within the Religious will always be with them ... as long as they are fearful of death.

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