I have been in meditation about my salvation and my sins. Stricken with terror in my own mind on the gravity of sin. I came to belief when I read the Word in a jail cell in 2009, later baptized in a church in 2014. And my life has been riddled with terror. But I believed God saved me, my strongest belief to this day. Yet when my sin continued to terrorize me, I fell. Truly it is my unbelief that truly is the problem. When God said "you are forgiven" I should listen and believe, but when the church in revealed my sin and commanded perfection I believed them... So what happens in an imperfect world in an imperfect body? That commands something I'm not? Perfection.. I fall in terror.
Now what? I meditate and believe I'm forgiven, but voices tell me I have already fell to death...
Then count me as an unbeliever, I thought, and save me today, in this moment. Let me believe in your salvation God.
Count me as an unbeliever
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Thank God we do not have to rest in our flesh, our own works, our own righteousness to be accepted by God. It has nothing to do with us. It is entirely by God's grace that we are saved and accepted and redeemed. We should not put on the yoke of slavery that the devil wants to put on us. We are not measured by our own goodness, our own efforts, or our own deeds. We are entirely cleansed by the blood of the lamb and only through him are we considered perfect. Let us place our faith in God's grace alone and rest that we are accepted by the Father as much as He accepts His son.
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Re: Count me as an unbeliever
Post #3Good morning,Tart wrote:Now what? I meditate and believe I'm forgiven, but voices tell me I have already fell to death...
Then count me as an unbeliever, I thought, and save me today, in this moment. Let me believe in your salvation God.
this is similar to my experience, I sometimes call it "ask for Christ to save you with the gift of true repentance then hang onto your hat because it will get worse before it gets better."
1. Relax and don't worry aboud id - it is out of your hands now as Otseng mentions.
2. Think of your doubts as a demon attack and praise GOD that HE is willing to save a person like yourself who does not deserve it. They hate that and will leave, sooner or later. I praised Him like this even though I was not yet convinced I was indeed forgiven. It took awhile but it settled down.
God's grace upon your endeavours...
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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Re: Count me as an unbeliever
Post #4[Replying to post 1 by Tart]
Since Christ died to cover our sins there is absolutely No reason to live in terror or regret.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/ret ... ss-of-sin/
You should however get the needed help to not keep relapsing if you are referring to serious sin .
Since Christ died to cover our sins there is absolutely No reason to live in terror or regret.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/ret ... ss-of-sin/
You should however get the needed help to not keep relapsing if you are referring to serious sin .
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There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ (Rom. 8:1). If you have accepted Christ as your Saviour, you have right-standing with God. He doesn't see you as a loser who has failed him time and time again, but as his beloved child.
Do you belong to a good church? Do you have fellowship with other believers? Is there someone you can talk to openly and safely about these matters? Isolation isn't a good thing, especially when you are struggling.
God bless you as you work through things, Tart.
Do you belong to a good church? Do you have fellowship with other believers? Is there someone you can talk to openly and safely about these matters? Isolation isn't a good thing, especially when you are struggling.
God bless you as you work through things, Tart.
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Tart wrote: Just talk with people? Damn you are soo depressing... I am absolutely convinced there is no good in he world around me and my only hope is the spirit that is in me...
So how's that working out for you?
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William: Face your fears. If you want to place demons behind them, then face your demons.
If you believe that what you do is 'sinful' then face it, study it, and ask yourself why you think so.
Is what you do separating you from your relationship with your idea of GOD?
If not, then perhaps there is nothing to question, and your fear is unfounded.
If you want some companionship and 'time out' from the fray of judgmentalism, you are welcome to please come and chat with Manu Iti by The Fireside. He will not judge you, and perhaps you could do with some fun in your day.
If you believe that what you do is 'sinful' then face it, study it, and ask yourself why you think so.
Is what you do separating you from your relationship with your idea of GOD?
If not, then perhaps there is nothing to question, and your fear is unfounded.
If you want some companionship and 'time out' from the fray of judgmentalism, you are welcome to please come and chat with Manu Iti by The Fireside. He will not judge you, and perhaps you could do with some fun in your day.
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Of course he will judge me, all people judge everyone....
And im just sick of this feal good, in theory, bull crap... excuse my language
I mean what good does any of these words do for me? its like nonsense almost... sorry but its true... What am i suppose to do? Think to myself, of some time i was scared and convince myself i should do something about it? lol... thats dumb... whos to say im scared of anything anyways? or sinful? i know it is taught im sinful, and i use to be, and i guess sometimes i am, but im a new man... just waiting for the kingdom i suppose...
"Face your fears. If you want to place demons behind them, then face your demons.
If you believe that what you do is 'sinful' then face it, study it, and ask yourself why you think so."
And im just sick of this feal good, in theory, bull crap... excuse my language
I mean what good does any of these words do for me? its like nonsense almost... sorry but its true... What am i suppose to do? Think to myself, of some time i was scared and convince myself i should do something about it? lol... thats dumb... whos to say im scared of anything anyways? or sinful? i know it is taught im sinful, and i use to be, and i guess sometimes i am, but im a new man... just waiting for the kingdom i suppose...
"Face your fears. If you want to place demons behind them, then face your demons.
If you believe that what you do is 'sinful' then face it, study it, and ask yourself why you think so."
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pretty good. though man, you guys are all messed up... dude, dont feel bad about your pornography... you fear yourself? thats dumb...JehovahsWitness wrote:Tart wrote: Just talk with people? Damn you are soo depressing... I am absolutely convinced there is no good in he world around me and my only hope is the spirit that is in me...
So how's that working out for you?
