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Why didn't Jesus mention "the blood"

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Why did Jesus so often teach forgiveness without mentioning "the blood", or without tying it to "the blood"?

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-The LORD's prayer
-The Beattitudes
-The Parables.

If forgiveness is tied to "the blood" (as the author of Hebrews claims) why didn't Jesus go around preaching this, and instead preach simple repentance and the Father's mercy? Without tying that forgiveness to "the blood"?

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Perhaps He was teaching new stuff, not going over old stuff...

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ttruscott wrote:

Perhaps He was teaching new stuff, not going over old stuff...


What do you consider the new stuff? Forgiveness based on repentance and the Father's mercy? Or forgiveness based on blood.

Forgiveness not based on "the blood" is nothing new. It part of the prophetic tradition, which Jesus seemed in tune with.

He even quotes Hosea 6.6, "I desire mercy not sacrifice" and incorporated that principle into the LORD's prayer.

And his teachings harmonize nicely with passages such as Micah 6.6-8 as well.

When it comes to forgiveness, Jesus was firmly in the Prophetic, not the Priestly tradition.

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Elijah John wrote:

When it comes to forgiveness, Jesus was firmly in the Prophetic, not the Priestly tradition.


Jesus fulfills everything. I know that sounds like a truism but as you get into it you see how he is the priest, the prohpet, the king, the lamb, the scapegoat, the temple, the true Israel, the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of Man, the Son of God and so on. The book of Hebrews is how he is our High Priest.

All Sunday School children know Jesus is the answer to everything and as I take it more seriously I learn that Jesus is the answer to everything.

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Elijah John wrote:

Why did Jesus so often teach forgiveness without mentioning "the blood", or without tying it to "the blood"?

Examples,

-The LORD's prayer
-The Beattitudes
-The Parables.

If forgiveness is tied to "the blood" (as the author of Hebrews claims) why didn't Jesus go around preaching this, and instead preach simple repentance and the Father's mercy? Without tying that forgiveness to "the blood"?

Well, he DID mention the blood, tying it in with forgiveness.

-The Last Supper

"Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: 'This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.' Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying, 'This cup means the new covenantby virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.'" (Luke 22:19,20)

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Exactly. Here too:

John 6:53 So Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day; 55 for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. It is not as when your forefathers ate and yet died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”

... but EJ already knows that. It is not the first time he asks the same question and get responses. Another friend who forgets answers and needs reminders ... all good. Wink

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Elijah John wrote:

Why did Jesus so often teach forgiveness without mentioning "the blood", or without tying it to "the blood"?

Examples,

-The LORD's prayer
-The Beattitudes
-The Parables.

If forgiveness is tied to "the blood" (as the author of Hebrews claims) why didn't Jesus go around preaching this, and instead preach simple repentance and the Father's mercy? Without tying that forgiveness to "the blood"?


One has to wonder if the connection between blood and forgiveness wasn't a late addition. Perhaps Jesus never intended to be crucified, but once he was, his followers had to add blood sacrifice to the story.


Tcg

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Look carefully at your response. New stuff? There is no new stuff that we should uphold as Gods message. We have been told to reject new doctrine.

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You continue to put forth arguments from silence in an attempt to justify your beliefs, Elijah John. But arguments from silence are at best weak and at worst fallacious -- and usually the latter.

It's like saying that, when Jesus was talking about sexual sin, he didn't say that pedophilia is wrong so, therefore, it must be okay.

As I have said before, we need to concentrate on what the Bible says, not on what you or others think it should say, but doesn't.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 10: Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:37 pm
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Peace to you,


This cannot even be an 'argument from silence':


This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Matthew 26:28

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