Theology journals

[juliod]

I don't know much about theology. But I do know that there is a field of academic, high-end, serious journals for that subject.

Why don't creationists publish there?

They certainly could. Any evidence that reveals something about god, the creator, or whatever, would certianly be welcome there. Creationism, properly considered, is a sub-field of theology.

So why don't they do it?

My personal suspicion is that the only thing creationists know less about than science is theology. Is suspect that they get an even greater whipping than they do in science when they try to infiltrate theological circles.

DanZ

[jcrawford]

What do you think are the ancestral origins of modern Jews, Christians and Muslims?

The same as every one else out of Africa.

Are you saying that all modern living Jews, Christians and Muslims are the sons and daughters of African people whom neo-Darwinists claim originated out of common ancestors of African monkeys and apes?

[Cathar1950]

Are you saying that all modern living Jews, Christians and Muslims are the sons and daughters of African people whom neo-Darwinists claim originated out of common ancestors of African monkeys and apes?

No your saying that. I am saying all of our ancestors came out of Africa.
Ever living human has ancestors from Africa, including yours. It seems from the data that we and the apes had common ancestors about 5 million years ago give or take a few million years. If you think the bible tells you something else fine but there is not data outside the stories in the bible. Those stories go back to Summer and were adapted to the needs of the Hebrew people and they became the Jews after the Captivity in Babalyon. If the Prophets or Jesus thought different it is irrelevant to the message they presented and was written and edited my later people both in the OT(Hebrew writings) and the NT(Pauline Christian writings). Now it is possible we were planted here by beings from another planet and forgot who dropped us off but if they did they planted us in Africa. Now there is no evidence of this unless you take the " Earth Chronicals" seriously that are based on one persons(Sitchin) interpretation of the stories from Summer.
Summer also gave us the flood story by way of Babalyon. At least Sitchin is fun to read.

[McCulloch]

Obviously, the monuments had to be erected post-Flood or they wouldn't still exist now, would they?

Either that of the global flood did not happen.

Take your choice, since it's 50/50. Either go with the Prophets or the archaeos.

When there are two alternatives, rarely are they equally likely.

If 3 billion Jewish, Christian and Muslim descendents of Noah aren't demonstrable enough evidence of Neanderthal Noah's existence for you, you may die waiting for better evidence.

How do you know that the 3 billion are descendants of Noah?

Because theologists and prophets tell me so.

And how do you know that the those particular theologists and prophets are right?

How do you know that Noah was Neanderthal?

Because he lived way over 500 years.

based on prophecy not science.

For that matter, how do you know that Noah was?

He was the genealogical ancestor of Jesus Christ.

how do you know that?

If the universal flood myth were true, then wouldn't the people not Jewish, Christian and Muslim also be descendants of Noah?

Of course. What is the alternative? Descendents of neo-Darwinist monkey and ape ancestors?

That is a sort of false dichotomy. Our God myth must be right because I don't want to be descended from other primates.

What do you think are the ancestral origins of modern Jews, Christians and Muslims?

Same as everyone else. All of the apes, humans included, have a common ancestor.

[Cephus]

Are you saying that all modern living Jews, Christians and Muslims are the sons and daughters of African people whom neo-Darwinists claim originated out of common ancestors of African monkeys and apes?

Absolutely. Just because you don't want to believe reality doesn't stop it from being reality. Then again, your track record of dealing with reality doesn't seem so hot.

[jcrawford]

Are you saying that all modern living Jews, Christians and Muslims are the sons and daughters of African people whom neo-Darwinists claim originated out of common ancestors of African monkeys and apes?

Absolutely. Just because you don't want to believe reality doesn't stop it from being reality. Then again, your track record of dealing with reality doesn't seem so hot.

Don't you distinguish between virtual, artificial, personal and theoretical reality, or are they all equally 'real' to you?

[Cephus]

Don't you distinguish between virtual, artificial, personal and theoretical reality, or are they all equally 'real' to you?

Sorry, there's no such thing as a 'personal' reality. Reality is what is, regardless of how something might seem to you. Claiming that everyone has a different reality is silly. What is real to one person is real to all people, even if their perceptions of it may be different or incorrect.

[jcrawford]

Don't you distinguish between virtual, artificial, personal and theoretical reality, or are they all equally 'real' to you?

Sorry, there's no such thing as a 'personal' reality. Reality is what is, regardless of how something might seem to you. Claiming that everyone has a different reality is silly. What is real to one person is real to all people, even if their perceptions of it may be different or incorrect.

That's just your own personal definition and philosophy of reality based on your perception and experience of the world today. What do you know about Neanderthal reality?

[micatala]

Sorry, there's no such thing as a 'personal' reality. Reality is what is, regardless of how something might seem to you. Claiming that everyone has a different reality is silly. What is real to one person is real to all people, even if their perceptions of it may be different or incorrect.

That's just your own personal definition and philosophy of reality based on your perception and experience of the world today. What do you know about Neanderthal reality?

To answer the last question first, he probably doesn't know anything about Neanderthal reality because it doesn't exist, and may have never existed.

To be a little more serious, this is not just Cephus' 'personal definition of reality.' It is a definition of reality commonly shared among the vast majority of people. It is true that, due to our imperfect perceptions and the imperfect way in which we process those perceptions, we probably will never achieve a perfect grasp of 'reality'. However, it is rather absurd to suggest that reality is completely subjective and we each have our own versions of reality, especially if it is asserted these versions are largely disjoint.



Also, I feel compelled as a moderator to point out that this thread seems to have gone far, far off course. If I recall, it is something to the effect of 'why do creationists not publish in theology journals?'

So let's leave our Neanderthal friends to the very thread that is devoted exclusively to them, and get back to addressing the OP of this thread.

[Cathar1950]

There does seem to be a reality beyond our perceptions and I would think it is common to us all. An anthropologist would look at a culture and say that what a culture sees for them it is real. Yet underlining that is an understanding that there is more. There is a tribe that has two birthing huts one for the men and one for the women. The men go into one and have birth pangs while the women are in another giving birth with no apparent pain. It seems to be some kind of cultural or group Hypnosis. Yet for the members of the tribe, especially the women, it works just fine.
We might have a problem of definition concerning reality. Yes there seems to be a reality that we all share maybe even due to common evolutionary experiences a biological memory as well as experiences shaping our perceptions. What that reality is actually is hard to say. Is is just vibrations and waves of probability which we synchronize into some order we find useful or something else. But it is there even if it is an illusion at some level. Let us say some shaman is in touch with the forest and understands it at feeling level but sees it as a spirit or being. It is useful to him in the same way our ecological explanations are to a scientist. They can both be shared and communicated. There power is in explanation and understanding yet the forest is there for both and may change along with our understanding. But of course some one would be a lone Neanderthal in a very small forest if they think they are a Neanderthal. Genetics show a migration pattern that takes us all out of Africa leaving the Neanderthals out of the modern human population. All the varieties of humans living today seem to come from the same source. Maybe they all came out of the Turkey but if they did they went thru Africa and came back and replaced everyone in the area and spread to other places. It is in the Genes.

[Cephus]

That's just your own personal definition and philosophy of reality based on your perception and experience of the world today. What do you know about Neanderthal reality?

You don't read very well, do you? There was no Neanderthal reality. There is one and only one reality, period. Everyone doesn't get to decide for themsleves what is real and what is not, reality is what is real, period.