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For Debate: What is god’s version of justice?The Tanager wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 6:05 pm “restoring right relationships and making wrong things right”
It does not matter, wary or unware or whatever. If there is some signs with a person, that a person have some affection of truth, even though those are almost suffocated by the various ambitions, passions, misunderstanding, prides, and whatever other influences those may be from the hells, it is a part of Christian charity, and if not charity, at least a duty, to help a person with some general framework of reference, to which, if that framework is true, he can turn if not now than at the later time, in calm, not agitated states of mind, and give the subject a fuller view. For some of us who come to the truth from the position of not knowing, some things in the letter do appear challenging, and to ascribe them, as they are, to the Lord's true nature, then seems challenging too. So, the question is then about the true Lord's nature, with regard to good, overall justice, etc. And so it takes time and the accurate arguments, founded not simply on the loyalty to the tradition, but to actual understanding of both spirit and the letter, that a person may become able - intellectually and emotionally - to have a safe greater view, which he would truly see not as a kind of lame argument, but the real honest position, which he was not able to see earlier. There are also subjective challenges on that way, for the affection for truth for the sake for truth may be very low, and there can resentments against those who do not know the answers, and yet present them as if they know. But, again, if there is some affection for the truth with Poi, it is not impossible that he will be able able to give the whole subject a calm rereading in the future. The point is not to ridicule anyone, not to have a childish fight or gladiator thing, on any account, because in such a thing the whole truth and charity suffers, to become a winner or to be afraid to loose one's face (of which the people of this world are usually afraid), but after illustrating the point to allow a person to deal with those arguments presented and perhaps to apply his strength to overcome his own subjective limitations and prejucides against the explanation of the letter..there may be other unwary Christians willing to be baited.
Great. Being Christian, in where you admit that being charitable is a thing, please demonstrate your charity, and tell us why it is just to...
Considering the challenges, I think that the initial idea of the differentiation between what is Divine and what is (merely natural) human, or the Infinite and the finite, is really a great step forward, and in fact, in this very question there containd, though invisibly, even the whole opening up for understanding of the whole case. But there is still a road to be taken, which is going to be either direct or long and winding depending on how easy you are going to make it easy for yourself.Why are the above for (4) scenarios just to god, when they instead do not appear to be just to us humans?
Okay, I'm done with you.Consocius wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2026 10:03 am [Replying to POI in post #104]
Considering the challenges, I think that the initial idea of the differentiation between what is Divine and what is (merely natural) human, or the Infinite and the finite, is really a great step forward, and in fact, in this very question there containd, though invisibly, even the whole opening up for understanding of the whole case. But there is still a road to be taken, which is going to be either direct or long and winding depending on how easy you are going to make it easy for yourself.Why are the above for (4) scenarios just to god, when they instead do not appear to be just to us humans?
