Is the Real "god" of the Bible.....Satan?

[followthelamb]

GOD allows everyone to believe what they want and lets Satan's teachers interpret the scriptures their own way:

Wouldn't that be the Ultimate Deception?

With all those stories of how this "god" is a Jealous god, how he KILLS and commands us to Kill, with stories of how to sell your daughter as a Sex Slave, to name only a few of the Disgusting things this "god" is responsible for, doesn't it sound more like this "god" is really Satan? Wouldn't that be the Ultimate Deception? To deceive everyone with Religion, and keep them in the dark?

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YHWH is not these things the way they are interpreted:
HE is not jealous like a human.
HE does not kill and order us to kill as if it were murder.
HE does not condone selling your daughter as a sex slave,

to name a few of the deceptions of Satan about YHWH.

Care to enlighten us on the Highlighted?

If he is not Jealous, does not kill or order us to kill, and doesn't condone selling your daughter as a sex slave............then WHY are those things in in the Bible, a book religious people consider the "Word Of God"!???

Please explain.

Behold i will answer you and i will explain.

The lord thy god is a jealous god and he is a loving god, He kills and he makes alive, He shapes a man in the womb and he destroys a man with the sword.
He causes sickness and he heals, He creates peace and he makes evil, He brings the times of war and he brings the times of peace,

He creates rain and he causes droughts. Behold he feeds the young zebras and he gives the zebras cubs to be food for the young lions, Behold he makes a man rich and he makes a man poor,

The lord god satisfy the DESIRE OF EVERY LIVING THING.
Who gives wisdom to fowls of the air? Who made the wales bones strong as iron? it was the lord god

You all speak like animals, like beast with no knowledge, Dont you know if god was to set his heart upon man, every living thing would perish in a instant. All the foods you consume who created it? If god shuts up the rain and dries up the sea how would the plaints get nurished? How would the beast that you eat feed seeing what they eat is cut off? all would die for every food you consume came from the earth and the meat that you eat was made by him.

Now hear and understand, The lord god made the heavens and the earth and everything we can see and can not see he has created.

He has power to kill and he has power to give life?

So why would god kill? why would god cause women to go into slavery? why would god do all this evil?

Behold what man is there in this world that does not sin? Because of sins man is born unto trouble, he is exalted for a little while then he is cut off like all others,

He has pleasure years for a time then the days of sorrow anger and grief comes upon him, Then when the number of his years is met he goes to the grave like all others.

He does not remember his love, his hate, nor anything for he is dead and at the last day when he arises all men will be judged.

In the world to come their will be no death, their will be no plagues nor will there be sorrow for in that world their will be no sin.

every man that is worthy to make it to that world will have everlasting peace,
God gave wood to build houses in this world but in the next world he gives gold for wood.

If this world is currupt by sin and god still has mercy on it, how would the next world be? can you picture it?

If satan had power all knees would bow to him, but he does not have power wat ever power he has was given unto to him, for he is a liar and is the father of all liars

FEAR GOD FOR SATAN CAN NOT KILL YOU AND MAN CAN NOT KILL YOU, BUT GOD HAS POWER TO KILL YOU AND TO GIVE YOU LIFE, GOD MAY USE A MAN TO KILL IN THE FLESH AND HE MAY SEND SATAN TO PLAGUE A MAN LIKE JOB BUT IN THE LAST DAY GOD HIM SELF WILL CAST ALL EVIL DOERS INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE SO FEAR HIM. AND TURN FROM SINS

[atheist buddy]

GOD allows everyone to believe what they want and lets Satan's teachers interpret the scriptures their own way:

Wouldn't that be the Ultimate Deception?

With all those stories of how this "god" is a Jealous god, how he KILLS and commands us to Kill, with stories of how to sell your daughter as a Sex Slave, to name only a few of the Disgusting things this "god" is responsible for, doesn't it sound more like this "god" is really Satan? Wouldn't that be the Ultimate Deception? To deceive everyone with Religion, and keep them in the dark?

...

YHWH is not these things the way they are interpreted:
HE is not jealous like a human.
HE does not kill and order us to kill as if it were murder.
HE does not condone selling your daughter as a sex slave,

to name a few of the deceptions of Satan about YHWH.

Care to enlighten us on the Highlighted?

If he is not Jealous, does not kill or order us to kill, and doesn't condone selling your daughter as a sex slave............then WHY are those things in in the Bible, a book religious people consider the "Word Of God"!???

Please explain.

Behold i will answer you and i will explain.

The lord thy god is a jealous god and he is a loving god, He kills and he makes alive, He shapes a man in the womb and he destroys a man with the sword.
He causes sickness and he heals, He creates peace and he makes evil, He brings the times of war and he brings the times of peace,

He creates rain and he causes droughts. Behold he feeds the young zebras and he gives the zebras cubs to be food for the young lions, Behold he makes a man rich and he makes a man poor,

The lord god satisfy the DESIRE OF EVERY LIVING THING.
Who gives wisdom to fowls of the air? Who made the wales bones strong as iron? it was the lord god

You all speak like animals, like beast with no knowledge, Dont you know if god was to set his heart upon man, every living thing would perish in a instant. All the foods you consume who created it? If god shuts up the rain and dries up the sea how would the plaints get nurished? How would the beast that you eat feed seeing what they eat is cut off? all would die for every food you consume came from the earth and the meat that you eat was made by him.

Now hear and understand, The lord god made the heavens and the earth and everything we can see and can not see he has created.

He has power to kill and he has power to give life?

So why would god kill? why would god cause women to go into slavery? why would god do all this evil?

Behold what man is there in this world that does not sin? Because of sins man is born unto trouble, he is exalted for a little while then he is cut off like all others,

He has pleasure years for a time then the days of sorrow anger and grief comes upon him, Then when the number of his years is met he goes to the grave like all others.

He does not remember his love, his hate, nor anything for he is dead and at the last day when he arises all men will be judged.

In the world to come their will be no death, their will be no plagues nor will there be sorrow for in that world their will be no sin.

every man that is worthy to make it to that world will have everlasting peace,
God gave wood to build houses in this world but in the next world he gives gold for wood.

If this world is currupt by sin and god still has mercy on it, how would the next world be? can you picture it?

If satan had power all knees would bow to him, but he does not have power wat ever power he has was given unto to him, for he is a liar and is the father of all liars

FEAR GOD FOR SATAN CAN NOT KILL YOU AND MAN CAN NOT KILL YOU, BUT GOD HAS POWER TO KILL YOU AND TO GIVE YOU LIFE, GOD MAY USE A MAN TO KILL IN THE FLESH AND HE MAY SEND SATAN TO PLAGUE A MAN LIKE JOB BUT IN THE LAST DAY GOD HIM SELF WILL CAST ALL EVIL DOERS INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE SO FEAR HIM. AND TURN FROM SINS

How do you know any o this is true?

And if the Bible was written by Satan, and you actually worshipped Satan, and your faith was the product of the Will of Satan, how would we know the difference?

[Zzyzx]

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FEAR GOD FOR SATAN CAN NOT KILL YOU AND MAN CAN NOT KILL YOU, BUT GOD HAS POWER TO KILL YOU AND TO GIVE YOU LIFE, GOD MAY USE A MAN TO KILL IN THE FLESH AND HE MAY SEND SATAN TO PLAGUE A MAN LIKE JOB BUT IN THE LAST DAY GOD HIM SELF WILL CAST ALL EVIL DOERS INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE SO FEAR HIM. AND TURN FROM SINS

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[EDNAR]

[Replying to Zzyzx]

Zzyzx,

How is his post preaching?

Are you unable to delve into the logic & common sense of his post?

You are an atheist, right?

Yours is a religion as well.

What makes you believe atheism is better than God's words?

Man's words ... man's thoughts are fallible. Man evolves into something worse tan his previous self ... always.

God does NOT change!

We are headed toward a SODOM & GOMORRAH direction.

N.A.M.B.L.A. will soon be a household name.

The LGBT will dominate the news wherever we go.

Child molestation will be be acceptable & like ISIS, men will force families to give them one of their daughters for their pleasures.

[Danmark]

[Replying to Zzyzx]

Zzyzx,

How is his post preaching?

Are you unable to delve into the logic & common sense of his post?

You are an atheist, right?

Yours is a religion as well.

What makes you believe atheism is better than God's words?

Man's words ... man's thoughts are fallible. Man evolves into something worse tan his previous self ... always.

God does NOT change!

We are headed toward a SODOM & GOMORRAH direction.

N.A.M.B.L.A. will soon be a household name.

The LGBT will dominate the news wherever we go.

Child molestation will be be acceptable & like ISIS, men will force families to give them one of their daughters for their pleasures.

"Atheism" is not a religion. It is a religion like 'Off' is a TV channel. You are continuing to preach and you justify it with an ad hominem attack referring to someone's beliefs rather than accept the fact you have violated the rules and continue to do so. Instead you should get back to addressing the subject of the thread:

"Is the Real "god" of the Bible.....Satan?"

[dianaiad]

[Replying to Zzyzx]

Zzyzx,

How is his post preaching?

Are you unable to delve into the logic & common sense of his post?

You are an atheist, right?

Yours is a religion as well.

What makes you believe atheism is better than God's words?

Man's words ... man's thoughts are fallible. Man evolves into something worse tan his previous self ... always.

God does NOT change!

We are headed toward a SODOM & GOMORRAH direction.

N.A.M.B.L.A. will soon be a household name.

The LGBT will dominate the news wherever we go.

Child molestation will be be acceptable & like ISIS, men will force families to give them one of their daughters for their pleasures.

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[EDNAR]

[Replying to Danmark]

danmark,

Of course ATHEISM is a religion!

WHERE DO YOU GET OFF PRETENDING IT IS NOT?

Atheism, humanism like SATANISM is a belief there is NO God.

You still have NOT responded back to my challenge.

You implied the words of Jesus were human.

Humans are fallible ... God, Jesus, is NOT!

Therefore Jesus is GOD in the bible.

If God were satan, then all God created would be totally evil & there would be NOTHING good coming from any of us.

Jesus is GOD b/c Jesus is GOOD. ALL MANKIND ARE SINNERS. Show me one that isn't.
You, DANMARK, are a sinner, liar, hypocrite, pervert ... just like me & the rest of humanity.
JESUS IS NOT!

Jesus states very emphatically HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN & IS NOT FROM THIS WORLD.

There is NOTHING at all that proves Jesus sinned.

The words Jesus spoke in the bible are w/o errors, lies, contradictions or abrogations!

You need to prove Jesus is human enough to have errorws, lies, contradictions &/or abrogations in His words.

Now ... show me where SATAN creations of GOOD ANGELS, perfect smiling babies, or miracles of healing of all diseases/disabilities, bringing people back from the dead according to you is evil.

[Zzyzx]

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[Replying to Zzyzx]

How is his post preaching?

Preaching is defined as: intransitive verb 1) to speak in public on religious matters; give a sermon; 2) to give moral or religious advice, esp. in a tiresome manner

One learns to recognize preaching efforts after being a member of the forum for a while. Preachers come and go – go when they repeatedly violate Forum Rules and Guidelines. Check the section labeled "Probation" (which includes suspension and banning as well) for some understanding of how that process works.

Are you unable to delve into the logic & common sense of his post?

I am quite able to delve into matters that contain verifiable information. "Common sense" is not at all common (in my opinion).

It might be prudent to check the definition of "logic" (science that studies the principles of correct reasoning)

You are an atheist, right?

Wrong.

It does not take grea reading and comprehension skills to grasp my clearly stated theological position (last line of signature).

I further state repeatedly in these threads that ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, worshiped, imagined, idolized, feared, loved, etc MAY actually exist – all that is lacking is convincing evidence upon which to make an intelligent, reasoned decision.

I do not choose to choose or worship ANY of them (no matter how forcefully advertised and promoted) in the absence of evidence. Unverified tales by unidentifiable writers who cannot be shown to have witnessed events and conversations they tell about may convince many people. However, I would consider myself very naive and gullible if I accepted such tales as truthful and accurate.

Many of the competing "gods" have a following and have similar tales in their promotional literature and dogma. Why accept one set of stories (or "god', or religion) over others? They all tend to have invisible, undetectable "gods", worship requirements, religious rituals, priests and prophets. The "god" and religion chosen seems to be highly correlated with where a person is born / raised (and their society, culture, family, popular religion, etc).

Yours is a religion as well.

I will paraphrase DanMark's excellent statement – Non-Theism is a religion like OFF is a TV channel, Beautiful. Doesn't he have a way with words – and making things clear? Perhaps that comes with being an attorney.

What makes you believe atheism is better than God's words?

When one fails to understand opposition positions in debate their statements display that ignorance – and sound quite foolish.

Notice that I said NOTHING about Atheism being "better" – that is YOUR concoction to be flung at me. It doesn't stick. Try something else.

I take no position regarding "God's words" because there is no assurance that anyone knows what "God" (any of the proposed "gods") might have said. Religion promotion literature by anonymous writers claims to speak for "God"; however, it cannot be shown that the words were any more than the imagination of religious fanatics (and perhaps outright fraud in some cases).

Man's words ... man's thoughts are fallible.

Yes, humans are fallible – they can be wrong. For instance, YOU can be wrong in choosing which "god" to worship (from thousands available) and wrong in what that god is supposed to have said (or to want from humans – including worship).

I have attempted to minimize the probability of being wrong in choice of "gods" or worship rituals by reserving judgment until convincing evidence is presented for one or more of the proposed "gods."

Many religionists insist that I hurry and choose their favorite "god" – "before it is too late." However, I am not inclined toward an impatient or emotional "god." I sometimes think they just want to be part of a popular group.

Man evolves into something worse tan his previous self ... always.

"Man EVOLVES?" Isn't evolution supposedly an Atheist concept (according to many Christians who debate here)?

Why do religionists so often seem to have very negative attitudes toward humans? Of course, they seldom (never?) include themselves as being responsible for "Sodom and Gomorrah" or "aberrant sexual practices" or preferences (or whatever they are criticizing at the moment). And, of course, Christians are "forgiven" if they ask and repent. Not a bad sales pitch.

God does NOT change!

One of the "gods", the one associated with Judaism, Islam, and Christianity is said to have changed considerably between the Old Testament and the New Testament (if either of those is to be taken seriously). Odin may be more consistent

We are headed toward a SODOM & GOMORRAH direction.

Speak for yourself. You know where YOU are headed but do not know where others are headed (unless you are omniscient or a mind reader).

N.A.M.B.L.A. will soon be a household name.

Do you identify yourself as a homophobe?

The LGBT will dominate the news wherever we go.

Do you have some inside information about this? Are you part of the movement?

Child molestation will be be acceptable & like ISIS, men will force families to give them one of their daughters for their pleasures.

Tell us more about your visions of the future.

[OnceConvinced]

Of course ATHEISM is a religion!

Nope. Religion has a specific definition. It requires a God and it requires doctrines and certain rules being followed. Atheism has no such thing. It is simply a stance where you do not believe in any God. Really when it comes down to it you are only 1 God away from being an Atheist yourself. Out of the 1000s of Gods available to worship, we only worship one less than you do.

Saying that Atheism is a religion is a Christian fantasy, nothing less. No doubt you think we worship Satan, but we don’t believe in Satan either. You can’t worship something you don’t believe in.

WHERE DO YOU GET OFF PRETENDING IT IS NOT?

You are the one doing the pretending. Atheism does not have religious rituals. We don’t spend time every day praying and reading a religious text. We don’t do cannibalistic rituals like Communion. We don’t get baptized, we don’t stand in congregations singing and chanting.

Please quit with the fantasies.

Atheism, humanism like SATANISM is a belief there is NO God.

A belief is a long way from being a religion. BTW Satanism is not a belief there is no God. It is a religion that focusses around a belief in Satan. Satan IS there God. I for one completely reject such a horrible being.

You implied the words of Jesus were human.

Humans are fallible ... God, Jesus, is NOT!

The bible shows us a picture of a very fallible man in Jesus. He was proud, arrogant, angry… he unleashed his wrath on those in the temple, destroying their things. He looked down his noses as those who did not see things as he did and demonized those who disagreed with him.

Therefore Jesus is GOD in the bible.

Even if he was infallible, how does that make him a God?

If God were satan, then all God created would be totally evil & there would be NOTHING good coming from any of us.

Satan is smarter than that. Satan disguises himself as good to lure people in and fool them.

Let’s say that the one true God was some other God, other than the one written about in the bible. Now Satan comes up with his own religion and has the bible written. In doing so he lures everyone away from the one true God and has them following a false God instead. You don’t think Satan could come up with some plan like that? Take some teachings of the one true God and then add in his own spin to lure people away from the one true God?

[EDNAR]

[Replying to Zzyzx]

Zzyzx wrote:
[[It might be prudent to check the definition of "logic" (science that studies the principles of correct reasoning) ]]
This is a human fallacy. It implies all science ventures were perfect after one try. Edicon & Franklin, Pasteur & many others never got it on the first try. Then there is Einstein. His formulas nor quantum physics can clearly define or explain the meaning of “INFINITY� in the Black Hole, Singularities, Dark Matter or Dark Energy.
God’s words are still perfect & w/o errors, lies, contradictions & abrogations from the bible.


Zzyzx wrote:
[[I further state repeatedly in these threads that ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, worshiped, imagined, idolized, feared, loved, etc MAY actually exist – all that is lacking is convincing evidence upon which to make an intelligent, reasoned decision]]
Then you will have only yourself to blame when you die. There is ONLY one God who appeared to man. YHWH-ELOHIM. Elohim = plural for God, hence the holy Trinity.
There are over 300+ million gods in the world NOBODY has seen … this includes the god from the quran.



Zzyzx wrote:
[[I will paraphrase DanMark's excellent statement – Non-Theism is a religion like OFF is a TV channel, Beautiful. Doesn't he have a way with words – and making things clear? Perhaps that comes with being an attorney. ]]
I disagree.
ATHEISM is most definitely a religion.
What would be your response if I asked you …�ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN … OR Jew … or Hindu …. Or Muslim?�
Be honest, now.
I bet your response would be in line with a religious response & that would be … “No, I am an atheists�
Did you know there is an … ATHEIST CHURCH?
Britain's First Atheist Church The Sunday Assembly Meets In North London



Zzyzx wrote:
[[I take no position regarding "God's words" because there is no assurance that anyone knows what "God" (any of the proposed "gods") might have said. Religion promotion literature by anonymous writers claims to speak for "God"; however, it cannot be shown that the words were any more than the imagination of religious fanatics (and perhaps outright fraud in some cases). ]]




Zzyzx wrote:
[[Yes, humans are fallible – they can be wrong. For instance, YOU can be wrong in choosing which "god" to worship (from thousands available) and wrong in what that god is supposed to have said (or to want from humans – including worship).

I have attempted to minimize the probability of being wrong in choice of "gods" or worship rituals by reserving judgment until convincing evidence is presented for one or more of the proposed "gods." ]]
There is NO fallibility with the words of Jesus.
Humans evolve & Jesus does NOT.
Humans constantly make errors & Jesus does NOT.
It IS that simple.




Zzyzx wrote:
[["Man EVOLVES?" Isn't evolution supposedly an Atheist concept (according to many Christians who debate here)? ]]
The word is meant in regards to change with time. Your meaning of time is in the millions of years … mine is within a couple of generations where believing in something from one generation changes with another. For example … did your parents or grandparents believe in God & get saved?



Zzyzx wrote:
[[One of the "gods", the one associated with Judaism, Islam, and Christianity is said to have changed considerably between the Old Testament and the New Testament (if either of those is to be taken seriously). Odin may be more consistent ]]
The God from the Pentateuch does NOT change.
MALACHI 3:6
Islam’s god, however, ABROGATED countless quranic verses & does change its mind.
Odin, like Islam’s god, does NOT exist.



Zzyzx wrote:
[[Speak for yourself. You know where YOU are headed but do not know where others are headed (unless you are omniscient or a mind reader).]]
Yes we are headed for a Sodom & Gomorrah.
The Pandora’s Boc was opened when same sex civil unions are becoming a reality in America.
Next are those who want to marry in clusters of men & woman, those who want to marry their family members, those who want to marry animals, those who want to marry inanimate objects, those who want to marry themselves(on the books for tax purposes!), those who want to marry dead people, etc … the list goes on when these people come out of their closets! NAMBLA will be a household name!
The new Sodom &* Gomorrah… where the word: IMMORALITY, will be stricken from the dictionary.





Zzyzx wrote:
[[Do you identify yourself as a homophobe? ]]
This word has no meaning, except to those who threaten the coming changes




Zzyzx wrote:
[[Do you have some inside information about this? Are you part of the movement? ]]
What is to hide? Their bigotry is all out there for those to see.
They threaten all who oppose them … like Christian bakeries & Christian marriage chapels with court
Costs & litigation while hypocritically trying to take down Christian symbols & sermons.
They will NOT tolerate to be able to live in peace together.
Like Islam, it is their way or the highway!
They are shouting their hypocrisy to the words of Phil Robertson as if they are NEW!
The hypocrisy of the LGBT are arrogantly open insidious in nature & the hypocrisy is so thick …
Like molasses in the winter time.




Zzyzx wrote:
[[Tell us more about your visions of the future. ]]
W/O Jesus … there is NO future, for you.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.