What is ironic about atheists’ demand for evidence is that there is not one shred of evidence indicating that the material universe is anything but a shadow of the Real. I can show you, atheists, evidence of a reality beyond all determination. Were is your evidence that matter-energy is the bottom line? Why is it human to limit our response to being, to the Great Unknown, by making the outside the only inside? Why is it delusion to make the inside part of the outside?
Accurate beliefs and objective facts are no doubt crucial to survival. Perhaps belief in God aids in survival, a delusion caused by our biology and psychological needs. But if this is so, atheism is an aberration or mutation of some kind. So, how do the mutants know whether it is believers in the Divine or themselves that are deluded? If the question of truth is determined by its survival-value, we’ll just have to wait. But if truth is something other than success, if it is an intrinsic value that cannot be measured by its conduciveness to survival, then the determination of truth takes place above and beyond the physical.
Down through the ages, philosophers, prophets and sages have been telling us that that the real world exists in and of itself and that we are wrong to believe in the ultimate reality of what our senses tell us, that to know the reality of Being it is necessary to perceive it with more than the intellect alone. It must be felt. To know with the intellect alone is to know about things, but not being itself where meaning resides. Are they delusional? Where is your evidence, atheists? If you cannot so much as present evidence that the material universe is the Real, on what basis do you question the philosophers, prophets and sages?
Questions For Atheists
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Questions For Atheists
Post #1"Concepts do not rise to the level of what it is to be human." — The Mad Haranguer
Post #151
Aki,
Sure. I am an Atheist. However I do not know what kind of Atheist I am supposed to be. Maybe I am Humanist. Was raised Christian (Presbyterian), and remember having a long talk with God one night. I am not sure now how old I was, maybe 10-13, but I remember feeling sorry for him, that he had no mother and father, and already knew how everything was going to turn out, and had no place to go, since he was all that was, no surprises, no future, no change. I determined that he created me to not know everythhohmhh.hhhh
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Regards, TARhhhhhhhh
Sure. I am an Atheist. However I do not know what kind of Atheist I am supposed to be. Maybe I am Humanist. Was raised Christian (Presbyterian), and remember having a long talk with God one night. I am not sure now how old I was, maybe 10-13, but I remember feeling sorry for him, that he had no mother and father, and already knew how everything was going to turn out, and had no place to go, since he was all that was, no surprises, no future, no change. I determined that he created me to not know everythhohmhh.hhhh
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Regards, TARhhhhhhhh
Post #152
Aki,
So anyway, I felt I understood God, and his knowledge of everything, and I was a part of him. A little peice of God so to speak. And I made a pact with him, to keep his secret, and be me, separate from God, with my limited scope, that allowed for surprises, and change, and wonderment.
Aki, now that you ask, and I was about to explain my Atheism, and the insights and reasoning that I have had about religion and God in the subsequent 45 years... to be honest, I am not so sure I didn't hold on to some of the concepts and feelings I experienced that night.
Perhaps I just feel a part of the universe, and am happy for my role in it.
I am not sure what religion that makes me.
Regard, TAR
So anyway, I felt I understood God, and his knowledge of everything, and I was a part of him. A little peice of God so to speak. And I made a pact with him, to keep his secret, and be me, separate from God, with my limited scope, that allowed for surprises, and change, and wonderment.
Aki, now that you ask, and I was about to explain my Atheism, and the insights and reasoning that I have had about religion and God in the subsequent 45 years... to be honest, I am not so sure I didn't hold on to some of the concepts and feelings I experienced that night.
Perhaps I just feel a part of the universe, and am happy for my role in it.
I am not sure what religion that makes me.
Regard, TAR
Post #155
I'm not sure, but I don't even have reason to believe that there's a reason/answer out there.
I try to assume as little as possible, and go from there.
It's also one of the reasons I'm so passionate about physics; ultimately, physics endeavours to answer our questions about the universe, so that's cool with me.
I think non-theist more-or-less covers me, because I'm not aware of any other labels I fit under, in terms of beliefs.
I'm a real freak, basically.
I try to assume as little as possible, and go from there.
It's also one of the reasons I'm so passionate about physics; ultimately, physics endeavours to answer our questions about the universe, so that's cool with me.
I think non-theist more-or-less covers me, because I'm not aware of any other labels I fit under, in terms of beliefs.
I'm a real freak, basically.
Post #156
Aki,
Well thanks for that.
My take is that the purpose of life, is to live, and make it possible for others to do the same.
It sounds sort of simple and circular, but I do view it as realistic and meaningful.
Not sure though, why I feel my take should be important to someone else.
I suppose it is due to my understanding that objective reality is immediately verified for me, when I interact with another human. I figure that others would find my take as valuable as I find their's.
Regards, TAR
Well thanks for that.
My take is that the purpose of life, is to live, and make it possible for others to do the same.
It sounds sort of simple and circular, but I do view it as realistic and meaningful.
Not sure though, why I feel my take should be important to someone else.
I suppose it is due to my understanding that objective reality is immediately verified for me, when I interact with another human. I figure that others would find my take as valuable as I find their's.
Regards, TAR
Post #157
While I wouldn't call that a meaning, I'd call that a very appropriate philosophy.
To an extent.
I'm still undecided as to whether or not life is a good thing. Nobody chooses to be born, so it's a tough one to justify forcing somebody on the world.
But hey, that's just me.
To an extent.
I'm still undecided as to whether or not life is a good thing. Nobody chooses to be born, so it's a tough one to justify forcing somebody on the world.
But hey, that's just me.
Post #158
Aki,
Well not to talk you out or into anything, but it seems as though, not only is life a good thing, but it is the ONLY thing we have. We have no alternative but to exist, for as long as we can keep our body/brain/heart group, intact and functioning. After that, I suppose the universe would be pretty much the same way it was before we were born. But in the mean time, I get to experience it. You get to experience it, and we get to experience each other experiencing it.
Seems like a good gig to me. Specially since the alternative is not being aware of existence.
Regards, TAR
Well not to talk you out or into anything, but it seems as though, not only is life a good thing, but it is the ONLY thing we have. We have no alternative but to exist, for as long as we can keep our body/brain/heart group, intact and functioning. After that, I suppose the universe would be pretty much the same way it was before we were born. But in the mean time, I get to experience it. You get to experience it, and we get to experience each other experiencing it.
Seems like a good gig to me. Specially since the alternative is not being aware of existence.
Regards, TAR
Post #159
Aki,
Wait a minute.
"Nobody chooses to be born, so it's a tough one to justify forcing somebody on the world."
What are you proposing here? Makes no sense. Are you proposing "ghost in the machine"?
For someone who has no reason to believe in an afterlife, I am surprised that you believe in a forelife.
How can you be a somebody, if you are not born yet?
Regards, TAR
Wait a minute.
"Nobody chooses to be born, so it's a tough one to justify forcing somebody on the world."
What are you proposing here? Makes no sense. Are you proposing "ghost in the machine"?
For someone who has no reason to believe in an afterlife, I am surprised that you believe in a forelife.
How can you be a somebody, if you are not born yet?
Regards, TAR
Post #160
Aki,
One of my strong arguments against an afterlife, is the lack of a mechanism through which to experience an afterlife. How can one lounge on a couch with virgins, with rivers of honey flowing about, if ones body is not there to lounge, and one's eyes are not there to see the river, and one's tounge is not there to taste the honey, and one's sexual organs are not there to take advantage of the purity of the virgin?
By what mechanism would you be experiencing the situation in which you would be able to choose whether or not to be brought into existence?
Regards, TAR
One of my strong arguments against an afterlife, is the lack of a mechanism through which to experience an afterlife. How can one lounge on a couch with virgins, with rivers of honey flowing about, if ones body is not there to lounge, and one's eyes are not there to see the river, and one's tounge is not there to taste the honey, and one's sexual organs are not there to take advantage of the purity of the virgin?
By what mechanism would you be experiencing the situation in which you would be able to choose whether or not to be brought into existence?
Regards, TAR
