Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...

[William]

Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...That they are evil in the sight of GOD and bound for hell?

As a human being, how is such theology acceptable and a good and reasonable thing to be stating or even implying of others, on a debate forum or even in day to day life?

Are people right to be able to take a stand against such theology and call it out for being dated, dark, based upon information from dark ages, based in ignorance and evil of intent?

What gives individuals the right to say such things about others?

Is it a form of abuse?

Should others have to take that kind of abuse about their persons without protesting it?

[Tcg]

The author of Revelation is the same author who has write the books of John. And that author is John self.

That's a pretty hard sell given that the book we call the "Gospel of John" is anonymous. Add to that the fact the author of Revelation used different vocabulary than the author of the other books attributed to John and it's a claim that is highly unlikely to be true.

None of this matters much however given that it fails to address my point.

[Pipiripi]

[Replying to post 21 by Tcg]

If I say to you, is against the rule here. But I am talking to you on your thinking. And that is also against the rule here. I hope between us there will be no rules. Because you and I must know the difference. The first gospel of John is when John declared everything Jesus has says and done, when John is living with Jesus and all the others apostles. 1John and 2John and 3 John is when John is preaching the gospel. After Jesus dead. Revelation is when Jesus appears to John and show him what will happened in the future before the end of this world. Remember that the Bible interpreted itself.

[Elijah John]

On the Daystar network, there are some British evangelists who preach on the streets. They ask go up to complete strangers and ask them uncomfortable (and I would argue unfair) questions.

"Why should God let you into Heaven?" "Have you ever told even one a lie? If so, you are a liar in the eyes of God". "Are you trying to be good"? If you are not perfect, and have not accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you go to hell for eternity".

Badgering, intrusive and misleading questions meant to "convict" the stranger of sin and get them to believe like they do.

I doubt they convince very many people with such tactics, even many who are seeking God and a Spirtual life.

Even the convert who prays the "sinners prayer" with them on the street there, one wonders just how deep and sincere the conversion, or if the convert was simply yeilding to the preacher's pressure.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 21 by Tcg]

If I say to you, is against the rule here. But I am talking to you on your thinking. And that is also against the rule here. I hope between us there will be no rules. Because you and I must know the difference. The first gospel of John is when John declared everything Jesus has says and done, when John is living with Jesus and all the others apostles. 1John and 2John and 3 John is when John is preaching the gospel. After Jesus dead. Revelation is when Jesus appears to John and show him what will happened in the future before the end of this world. Remember that the Bible interpreted itself.

Scholars doubt that the Gospel of John was written by John the apostle. John the apostle was a rough, Gallilean fisherman who spoke Aramaic. The Gospel of John was written in eloquent Greek. Unlikely they were the same person.

[Elijah John]

I believe Christians have no authority to judge, only inform others of God's standards and the consequences for defying them,

Don't you mean what you believe are "God's standards and the consequences for defying them"?

Other than that, nice post, and I for one would not mind that humble approach and would welcome discussion with you or any JW who approached me that way. For discussion and debate that is, I have no intention of converting.

I like the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses do not teach eternal torture, but rather usually emphasize the positive promise of eternal life in Paradise.

[JehovahsWitness]

Don't you mean what you believe are "God's standards and the consequences for defying them"?

I wrote the following

I believe Christians have no authority to judge, only inform others of God's standards and the consequences for defying them

Did you make your comment becaue you are not satisifed with where in the sentence I placed the words "I believe"? Even though "I believe" is right there in the sentence?

JW

[dianaiad]

My friend if you are a Christian, then study the Bible for yourself. If you are not a Christian study the Bible for yourself. And when you have read it you can understand a little about hell and paradise. People most stop following people without knowing what the Bible say.

My friend there is two ways for everybody in this world. Living with God forever, or dying in the lake OF fire forever. Two groups of people.

And for the Christians the one belong to God is this class of person. They are few.Revelation 12:17and 14:12.

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The whole Bible is LEARNING and bring people to Jesus. Debating means discussion about something to find out the truth. Go on YouTube and learn when you see what is debating. Everything in the Bible is for sinners to repent. The Bible is not a book like others book. The Bible is to help people find the small pad and enter in it. The Bible is not take a part of it makes your own story, opposite the true story of the content. The Bible is a book of live, not a book of going against live. The Bible is a book of hoop and believes, not a book for see and then belief. Preaching is the same as saying. It is just repeating what is written in some action. The Bible is to knowing who is false prophet and who is God prophet. The Bible is a book of real event, not a just inventing story. If everybody in this world who proclaims that they know the Bible and LIVING it. Jesus doesn't have to died for to return and taken HIS. You are using rules against the Bible rules. Against God. Jesus says go and preached around the world, other wise He will not come. People are looking for salvation because they believe.
My friend if all what I bring is preaching for you. Learn of it and search for salvation.




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[Elijah John]

Don't you mean what you believe are "God's standards and the consequences for defying them"?

I wrote the following

I believe Christians have no authority to judge, only inform others of God's standards and the consequences for defying them

Did you make your comment becaue you are not satisifed with where in the sentence I placed the words "I believe"? Even though "I believe" is right there in the sentence?

JW

Good point, well taken. Thanks for the clarification.

[Pipiripi]

Jesus is coming soon, and I don't care about worldly rules against God rules. Aslong I SPEAK the TRUTH BIBLICAL, people can do whatever they want. Nobody rules IS higher then my Creator God. If anybody don't keep the 10 Commandments they are not from God. So if someone say something agains God commandments I defend my believing.

[rikuoamero]

Jesus is coming soon, and I don't care about worldly rules against God rules. Aslong I SPEAK the TRUTH BIBLICAL, people can do whatever they want. Nobody rules IS higher then my Creator God. If anybody don't keep the 10 Commandments they are not from God. So if someone say something agains God commandments I defend my believing.

People have been saying "Jesus is coming soon" for TWO THOUSAND YEARS. When does this become a case of the boy who cried wolf, for you, Pip?