Respect

[Menotu]

Here, we're told to have a civil tone with each other (which is harder for some than others ) and respectful
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That's all fine and good.
But in reality - your life - are you respectful of others, their lifestyles, their personalities...?
Is respect of others something the bible says you should have?
Or is it not spoken of?
If not, should it be something a good, God-believin'-Christian should have towards others?
And what does respect mean, as a Christian?
Are you help to a higher or lower standard?
Or should respect be discarded (except for here, of course)?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 19 by Tired of the Nonsense]

We seem to be debating people who can personally qualify their Gods deeds, and so justify them.
JW says his God is justified when his people transgress against their own laws with another people unaware of their laws, declare war on them, commit genocide on them, except to save their virgin daughters to rape.

You see, ToN, in that context, God is good. I am sure you can see that, now,

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to post 19 by Tired of the Nonsense]

We seem to be debating people who can personally qualify their Gods deeds, and so justify them.
JW says his God is justified when his people transgress against their own laws with another people unaware of their laws, declare war on them, commit genocide on them, except to save their virgin daughters to rape.

You see, ToN, in that context, God is good. I am sure you can see that, now,

It does provide a more complete picture into the true moral nature of the Godly, yes.

[JehovahsWitness]

JW says his God is justified when his people transgress against their own laws with another people unaware of their laws, declare war on them, commit genocide on them, except to save their virgin daughters to rape.

Thats quite an accusation you have there.

Its one thing to say how you interpret something said (or the impression you may have gotten) but another to claim someone actually said something they did not. Perhaps you would like to link to the post where you claim I said the above for us all to see .



JEHOVAHS WITNESS

[Willum]

[Replying to post 22 by JehovahsWitness]

You have this habit of saying you did not say things, when people simply rephrase them.
I mean anyone can say someone else misquoted or did not get the gist of what they said, but using alleged misinterpretation as a proof of a deity, is, well, incredible.

ToN seems to agree with my interpretation of what you said.
I honestly see no other.

But if we are wrong, please, elaborate your position, I will be happy to apologize.
But note, even if you did not say what we interpreted your claim to be, it does not prevent our observations of the malevolence of the deity from being true.

So...

You still need to stop our misunderstandings there.
And asking questions about what you said, really doesn't excuse the horrors of the god you worship.
Does it?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 22 by JehovahsWitness]

You have this habit of saying you did not say things, when people simply rephrase them.

Kindly refrain from rephrasing my words; I chose my words very carefully for a reason and see no need anyone should "rephrase" them, especially into the exact opposite of what I believe.

I'm not telling you how to write but I dont think it misplaced tomshare that *I* personally I have no problem people saying that they "get the impression that ... ", " it seems to them that/their understanding is that..." etc that is their perrogative, but the purpose of debate (which often comes down to a single word being a point of contention) I find the a quote feature helpful.

It avoids the embarassing situation of having to admit one has attibuted words to someone they didnt actually write.


Respect,


JW

[Willum]

[Replying to post 24 by JehovahsWitness]

Ya know what? Reiterating what someone says is a normal part of the discussion process.
If your god fails moral, logical or existence criteria because we can't understand what you say, OR we cannot understand what you say, as indicated by reiteration, the fault does not lie in the community.

It lies on the deity.

Several key issues I note is that you obviously did not understand what I asked.

This behaviour, common to many theists not just yourself, of not being able to address simple requests, or follow straightforward writing, makes me realize the issue with the religion is that most of its followers do not respect the some 800,000 words in the Bible, and ignore them in favour of not only what they believe, but only what they wish TO believe.

I know, I am being a little mean, asking you to explain why your God authorized a war on innocent people, had them exterminated, except for the young women, but you know, it IS part of the religion that is, monstrous, and could use some splainin.

As to me not quoting you exactly.
Make it a forum rule, that we have to quote you everytime we have a discussion, and I'll consider it.
Until then, I'll just use normal debate conventions.

But we DO know why you are unable to address these issues with your deity, don't we? It has nothing to do with paraphrase.

[Purple Knight]

There is a difference between the death of children and babies that are indirect causalities of war, and deliberately disemboweling and decapitating babies and children as ordered.

Not to the children and babies there isn't.

The difference to the babies would be a generally greater chance to live when no one has ordered that they be completely and utterly wiped out.

I get that dead is still dead.

However, there's a difference in the results these different methods produce. A statement that casualties are acceptable does not kill every baby. Some would live. A statement that all must be wiped out, including babies, kills all the babies.

So... To the baby that lived it's very, very different.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 24 by JehovahsWitness]

Ya know what? Reiterating what someone says is a normal part of the discussion process.

Reiterating all you like, I wasnt talking about reiterating, I was talking about attributing words to me I did not say.

I'm not going to go back on forth on this, even those disagree with everything I write don't stoop to attributing actual words to me I never said. I expect better than that from those that contribute to this forum which is why I frequent it. I hope I have made myself clear.

Have an excellent weekend,


JW

[Willum]

[Replying to post 27 by JehovahsWitness]

Not going to go back and forth on what?
I certainly dont care about what you did or didnt say.

We were all interested in how abusing someones hospitality, declaring war on them, enacting a genocide on them, and raping their daughters was a good representation of the behavior your god approves of.

Running away from a conversation because you interject a conversation that didnt happen just demonstrates your belief in your Gods principles.