why would god create something that can resist him?

[soadnot]

Why would god create something that would resist him?
IE satan, athiests, other religions

[Greatest I Am]

the real question is why would god create beings, give no real inclination of his existence to the bulk of them,

Perhaps He wants men to develop faith in men.

then punish them for not believing.

God does not punish non believers. God is greedy. After making a perfect soul, He is not going to loose it.
God is not a looser.

oh, and make them rational beings, putting them in an environment that runs by certain rules of existence, then expect them to believe irrationally in a being who defies the only rules they know...and punish them if they don't.

What irrational point are you referring to.

evil.

Regards
DL

[justifyothers]

Why would god create something that would resist him?
IE satan, athiests, other religions

Maybe He just wanted to see who would seek Him out.

If He created everyone to automatically love & obey Him, what would be the point? (robots we are not)

Just like with our kids..........we'll know how we did by how often they visit after they move out.

[McCulloch]

Why would god create something that would resist him?
IE satan, athiests, other religions

Maybe He just wanted to see who would seek Him out.

So you don't think that God has perfect foreknowledge?

[justifyothers]

Why would god create something that would resist him?
IE satan, athiests, other religions

Maybe He just wanted to see who would seek Him out.

So you don't think that God has perfect foreknowledge?

If we have free will, which I think we do (without getting into all that), there would have to be some sort of dimension left up to us. I was thinking about this the other day..........why would it be necessary for Him to know every single detail about each of us ahead of time ?
I'm not saying He doesn't....just wondering why it is so important.? It doesn't lessen His rule in my life if He doesn't know ahead of time what clothes I will wear next week. So, I'm not sure, I guess. Like wouldn't that be the ultimate in free will? I know people say if He knows ahead of time, then it's not really 'free'.

So, maybe I'm just trying to wriggle out of another misconception....Is it necessary for Him to know ahead of time ? Since I don't believe in 'eternal damnation', it just may not be all that huge...


But I do think He's got the BIG picture ahead of time....still pondering this......

[Greatest I Am]

Why would god create something that would resist him?
IE satan, athiests, other religions

Maybe He just wanted to see who would seek Him out.

So you don't think that God has perfect foreknowledge?

If we have free will, which I think we do (without getting into all that), there would have to be some sort of dimension left up to us. I was thinking about this the other day..........why would it be necessary for Him to know every single detail about each of us ahead of time ?
I'm not saying He doesn't....just wondering why it is so important.? It doesn't lessen His rule in my life if He doesn't know ahead of time what clothes I will wear next week. So, I'm not sure, I guess. Like wouldn't that be the ultimate in free will? I know people say if He knows ahead of time, then it's not really 'free'.

So, maybe I'm just trying to wriggle out of another misconception....Is it necessary for Him to know ahead of time ? Since I don't believe in 'eternal damnation', it just may not be all that huge...


But I do think He's got the BIG picture ahead of time....still pondering this......

A retired farmer I knew decided to start raising rabbits to keep himself busy with light work.
He bought his first pair and basically let them loose in his barn and on his land. Because the initial feed and breading pens were in the barn the rabbits did not stray.
He knew the limits of what these rabbits would do and had nothing to do with the day to day except feed them. He had no need to know what the rabbits were doing on a minute by minute basis and he did nothing to interfere with there free will.

God has no need to interfere with us as well because He knows our limits and has no need to interfere with our free will either.
Free will only means to do thing within a natural limit.
Free will is not the ability to transcend these limits.

Regards
DL

[bernee51]

Why would god create something that would resist him?
IE satan, athiests, other religions

Maybe He just wanted to see who would seek Him out.

So you don't think that God has perfect foreknowledge?

If we have free will, which I think we do (without getting into all that), there would have to be some sort of dimension left up to us. I was thinking about this the other day..........why would it be necessary for Him to know every single detail about each of us ahead of time ?
I'm not saying He doesn't....just wondering why it is so important.? It doesn't lessen His rule in my life if He doesn't know ahead of time what clothes I will wear next week. So, I'm not sure, I guess. Like wouldn't that be the ultimate in free will? I know people say if He knows ahead of time, then it's not really 'free'.

So, maybe I'm just trying to wriggle out of another misconception....Is it necessary for Him to know ahead of time ? Since I don't believe in 'eternal damnation', it just may not be all that huge...


But I do think He's got the BIG picture ahead of time....still pondering this......

A retired farmer I knew decided to start raising rabbits to keep himself busy with light work.
He bought his first pair and basically let them loose in his barn and on his land. Because the initial feed and breading pens were in the barn the rabbits did not stray.
He knew the limits of what these rabbits would do and had nothing to do with the day to day except feed them. He had no need to know what the rabbits were doing on a minute by minute basis and he did nothing to interfere with there free will.

God has no need to interfere with us as well because He knows our limits and has no need to interfere with our free will either.
Free will only means to do thing within a natural limit.
Free will is not the ability to transcend these limits.

Regards
DL

These limits, however, can be shown to change over time...they evolve.

So you last statement is false.

[Greatest I Am]

Why would god create something that would resist him?
IE satan, athiests, other religions

Maybe He just wanted to see who would seek Him out.

So you don't think that God has perfect foreknowledge?

If we have free will, which I think we do (without getting into all that), there would have to be some sort of dimension left up to us. I was thinking about this the other day..........why would it be necessary for Him to know every single detail about each of us ahead of time ?
I'm not saying He doesn't....just wondering why it is so important.? It doesn't lessen His rule in my life if He doesn't know ahead of time what clothes I will wear next week. So, I'm not sure, I guess. Like wouldn't that be the ultimate in free will? I know people say if He knows ahead of time, then it's not really 'free'.

So, maybe I'm just trying to wriggle out of another misconception....Is it necessary for Him to know ahead of time ? Since I don't believe in 'eternal damnation', it just may not be all that huge...


But I do think He's got the BIG picture ahead of time....still pondering this......

A retired farmer I knew decided to start raising rabbits to keep himself busy with light work.
He bought his first pair and basically let them loose in his barn and on his land. Because the initial feed and breading pens were in the barn the rabbits did not stray.
He knew the limits of what these rabbits would do and had nothing to do with the day to day except feed them. He had no need to know what the rabbits were doing on a minute by minute basis and he did nothing to interfere with there free will.

God has no need to interfere with us as well because He knows our limits and has no need to interfere with our free will either.
Free will only means to do thing within a natural limit.
Free will is not the ability to transcend these limits.

Regards
DL

These limits, however, can be shown to change over time...they evolve.

So you last statement is false.

I hate being told I am wrong. It makes me have to re-read which I hate.

You are saying then that natural limits can be transcended. I call that miracles.
It is to you to show which natural limit you or I can transcend. I can't fly. Can you.

Regards
DL

[Metatron]

Why would god create something that would resist him?
IE satan, athiests, other religions

Maybe He just wanted to see who would seek Him out.

So you don't think that God has perfect foreknowledge?

If we have free will, which I think we do (without getting into all that), there would have to be some sort of dimension left up to us. I was thinking about this the other day..........why would it be necessary for Him to know every single detail about each of us ahead of time ?
I'm not saying He doesn't....just wondering why it is so important.? It doesn't lessen His rule in my life if He doesn't know ahead of time what clothes I will wear next week. So, I'm not sure, I guess. Like wouldn't that be the ultimate in free will? I know people say if He knows ahead of time, then it's not really 'free'.

So, maybe I'm just trying to wriggle out of another misconception....Is it necessary for Him to know ahead of time ? Since I don't believe in 'eternal damnation', it just may not be all that huge...


But I do think He's got the BIG picture ahead of time....still pondering this......

A retired farmer I knew decided to start raising rabbits to keep himself busy with light work.
He bought his first pair and basically let them loose in his barn and on his land. Because the initial feed and breading pens were in the barn the rabbits did not stray.
He knew the limits of what these rabbits would do and had nothing to do with the day to day except feed them. He had no need to know what the rabbits were doing on a minute by minute basis and he did nothing to interfere with there free will.

God has no need to interfere with us as well because He knows our limits and has no need to interfere with our free will either.
Free will only means to do thing within a natural limit.
Free will is not the ability to transcend these limits.

Regards
DL

These limits, however, can be shown to change over time...they evolve.

So you last statement is false.

I hate being told I am wrong. It makes me have to re-read which I hate.

You are saying then that natural limits can be transcended. I call that miracles.
It is to you to show which natural limit you or I can transcend. I can't fly. Can you.

Regards
DL

Actually, yes. I use an airplane.

Once upon a time man could not fly. Then through man's ingenuity, a means was devised to "transcend this natural limit". The airplane was pretty clever but I wouldn't refer to it as a miracle.

[bernee51]

Why would god create something that would resist him?
IE satan, athiests, other religions

Maybe He just wanted to see who would seek Him out.

So you don't think that God has perfect foreknowledge?

If we have free will, which I think we do (without getting into all that), there would have to be some sort of dimension left up to us. I was thinking about this the other day..........why would it be necessary for Him to know every single detail about each of us ahead of time ?
I'm not saying He doesn't....just wondering why it is so important.? It doesn't lessen His rule in my life if He doesn't know ahead of time what clothes I will wear next week. So, I'm not sure, I guess. Like wouldn't that be the ultimate in free will? I know people say if He knows ahead of time, then it's not really 'free'.

So, maybe I'm just trying to wriggle out of another misconception....Is it necessary for Him to know ahead of time ? Since I don't believe in 'eternal damnation', it just may not be all that huge...


But I do think He's got the BIG picture ahead of time....still pondering this......

A retired farmer I knew decided to start raising rabbits to keep himself busy with light work.
He bought his first pair and basically let them loose in his barn and on his land. Because the initial feed and breading pens were in the barn the rabbits did not stray.
He knew the limits of what these rabbits would do and had nothing to do with the day to day except feed them. He had no need to know what the rabbits were doing on a minute by minute basis and he did nothing to interfere with there free will.

God has no need to interfere with us as well because He knows our limits and has no need to interfere with our free will either.
Free will only means to do thing within a natural limit.
Free will is not the ability to transcend these limits.

Regards
DL

These limits, however, can be shown to change over time...they evolve.

So you last statement is false.

I hate being told I am wrong. It makes me have to re-read which I hate.

I love being told I'm wrong...it causes me to reexamine my beliefs.

You are saying then that natural limits can be transcended. I call that miracles.

I am saying there are things that do not have natural limits. We may have thought there were limits but they prove not to be. Miracles don't happen.

It is to you to show which natural limit you or I can transcend. I can't fly. Can you.

No - but I can fall with style.

Is there a limit to morality? Is there a limit to imagination? Is there a limit to consciousness? Is there a limit to spirit?

[twobitsmedia]

Why would god create something that would resist him?
IE satan, athiests, other religions

Maybe He just wanted to see who would seek Him out.

So you don't think that God has perfect foreknowledge?

If we have free will, which I think we do (without getting into all that), there would have to be some sort of dimension left up to us. I was thinking about this the other day..........why would it be necessary for Him to know every single detail about each of us ahead of time ?
I'm not saying He doesn't....just wondering why it is so important.? It doesn't lessen His rule in my life if He doesn't know ahead of time what clothes I will wear next week. So, I'm not sure, I guess. Like wouldn't that be the ultimate in free will? I know people say if He knows ahead of time, then it's not really 'free'.

So, maybe I'm just trying to wriggle out of another misconception....Is it necessary for Him to know ahead of time ? Since I don't believe in 'eternal damnation', it just may not be all that huge...


But I do think He's got the BIG picture ahead of time....still pondering this......

A retired farmer I knew decided to start raising rabbits to keep himself busy with light work.
He bought his first pair and basically let them loose in his barn and on his land. Because the initial feed and breading pens were in the barn the rabbits did not stray.
He knew the limits of what these rabbits would do and had nothing to do with the day to day except feed them. He had no need to know what the rabbits were doing on a minute by minute basis and he did nothing to interfere with there free will.

God has no need to interfere with us as well because He knows our limits and has no need to interfere with our free will either.
Free will only means to do thing within a natural limit.
Free will is not the ability to transcend these limits.

Regards
DL

These limits, however, can be shown to change over time...they evolve.

So you last statement is false.

I hate being told I am wrong. It makes me have to re-read which I hate.

You are saying then that natural limits can be transcended. I call that miracles.
It is to you to show which natural limit you or I can transcend. I can't fly. Can you.

Regards
DL

Actually, yes. I use an airplane.

Once upon a time man could not fly. Then through man's ingenuity, a means was devised to "transcend this natural limit". The airplane was pretty clever but I wouldn't refer to it as a miracle.

I guess it's perception, maybe, but I wouldn't call flight "transcending the natural limit." I don't see anything to suggest that flying in a plane is unnatural. Man built a metal object (a plane) and is using as much as he knows about the "natural limit" and can fly in it. If he learns more, he may be able to do more: fly higher, fly faster. Now, if man flew without a plane and just flapped his wings.....I could see that as "transcending the natural limit" because it is not in his natural design to do so. (note: my apologies to those who were at Woodstock and are sure they transcended the natural limit )