Jehovah's Witnesses and the Trinity Part 1

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Jehovah's Witnesses and the Trinity Part 1

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No excuses, Jesus is God.

We are gonna deal with these Trinity-Proof texts, one by one....using Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's) own New World's Translation, while I use the New King James Version (NKJV)...and we are gonna expose their faulty NWT, as needed.

For this thread, we will examine the following three books and verses..

Isa 40:3 – Mark 1:1-8 – Malachi 3:1

Lets begin with Isa 40:3..
Isa 40:3
NKJV Isa 40:3 ”The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God.
NWT Isa 40:3 A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up* the way of Jehovah! Make a straight highway through the desert for our God.
Now, as you can see, in comparison, both the NKJV and the NWT reads the same.

It is commanded that a clear path is made for God (Lord, Jehovah), because he is coming through!!

Ok, now, lets look at Malachi 3:1..
NKJV Mal 3:1 “Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me.
And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says the Lord of hosts.

NWT Mal 3:1  “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.
Virtually the same message, the Lord is coming...and the path is being cleared for him.

The significance? This is a prophecy of the coming of Jesus....and this messenger who clears the path for him, is John the Baptist.

How do we know?

Because, in Mark 1:1-8...
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2 As it is written in [a]the Prophets:

“Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.”
3 “The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.’ ”

4 John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 7 And he preached, saying, “There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose. 8 I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
The implication is simple, Jesus is God.

Even in JW's own NWT Bible, it is said that the path (Isa 40:3) is being made clear for Jehovah/God.

The author of Mark connects the subject of the cleared path in the book of Isaiah (who is identified as Jehovah/God), to the subject of the path in his own book (who is identified as Jesus).

This is irrefutable evidence of the fact that; Jesus is God.

Anyone who has beef with this, let me know.
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and the Trinity Part 1

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:03 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:10 am
servant1 wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:44 pm [Replying to Difflugia in post #245]

Many translations use different words but mean the same thing at many spots in Gods bible. Some have downright errors translated in. Example--I am that i am does not translate from the Hebrew in the OT it translates-i will be what i will be.
It's because JWs heavy use of paraphrase translations that changed the original Bible words that cannot be look upon through Bible lexicons to know the meaning of original Bible words at the time it was used. Without it a possibility of misguidance.
Try use literal word for word translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages and you will see the difference.
No original Bible words have been "changed" in meaning. Please stop that silly idea because you can hurt many people looking on by lies. You say things against the New World Translation, yet you say that you have not perused the NWT. How can you criticize something you have not read?
It is so obvious that NWT added "a" in John 1:1c and the word "other" in Col 1:16 to align to the Arians theology.
I have not read it but that is your argument to prove Jesus as not God.

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:17 pm
servant1 wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:07 pm [Replying to Capbook in post #250]


Maybe from some twisted version--Its FACT-I will be what i will be is the real translating of that statement from Hebrew.
Yes that is true. Leeser, Fox, and Rotherham, to name three, show that "I will" is more accurate than "I Am." God said, "Tell them 'I Will Be What I Will Be' sent you to them."
That is if you use paraphrase translations specially that does not have the Strong Concordance.
Aramaic Hebrew of the Tanakh and word for word English Bible translations said so, "I am Who I am".

(Tanakh+) Exo 3:14 ויאמר H559  אלהים H430  אל H413  משׁה H4872  אהיה H1961  אשׁר H834  אהיה H1961  ויאמר H559  כה H3541  תאמר H559  לבני H1121  ישׂראל H3478  אהיה H1961  שׁלחני H7971  אליכם׃ H413 

(NASB+)Exo 3:14 And God H430  said H559  to Moses H4872 , “ N1 R1 I AM H1961  WHO H834 N1 I AM H1961 ”; and He said H559 , “This H3541  is H3541  what H3541  you shall say H559  to the sons H1121  of Israel H3478 : ‘ N1 I AM H1961  has sent H7971  me to you.’”

(KJV+) Exo 3:14 And God H430  said H559  unto H413  Moses, H4872  I AM H1961  THAT H834  I AM: H1961  and he said, H559  Thus H3541  shalt thou say H559  unto the children H1121  of Israel, H3478  I AM H1961  hath sent H7971  me unto H413  you.

(Legacy Standard Bible+) Exo 3:14 And God H430  said H559  to Moses H4872 , “ N1 R1 I AM H1961  WHO H834 N1 I AM H1961 ”; and He said H559 , “Thus H3541  you shall say H559  to the sons H1121  of Israel H3478 , ‘ N1 I AM H1961  has sent H7971  me to you.’

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and the Trinity Part 1

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:37 am
onewithhim wrote: Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:03 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:10 am
servant1 wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:44 pm [Replying to Difflugia in post #245]

Many translations use different words but mean the same thing at many spots in Gods bible. Some have downright errors translated in. Example--I am that i am does not translate from the Hebrew in the OT it translates-i will be what i will be.
It's because JWs heavy use of paraphrase translations that changed the original Bible words that cannot be look upon through Bible lexicons to know the meaning of original Bible words at the time it was used. Without it a possibility of misguidance.
Try use literal word for word translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages and you will see the difference.
No original Bible words have been "changed" in meaning. Please stop that silly idea because you can hurt many people looking on by lies. You say things against the New World Translation, yet you say that you have not perused the NWT. How can you criticize something you have not read?
It is so obvious that NWT added "a" in John 1:1c and the word "other" in Col 1:16 to align to the Arians theology.
I have not read it but that is your argument to prove Jesus as not God.
"A" was added in John 1:1c because that is following the rules of translating Greek to English. Again, you say things against the NWT while you admit that you haven't read it. Is that fair?

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