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books of the bible

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why did christianity leave some books out of the bible? and on that who picks the books that get to be in the bible?

i just find it rather hypocritical to put some books in and some books out. it seems like they just put the books that made the religion sound all good.
The Gospel of Mary: This Gnostic Text reveals that Mary Magdalene may
have been an apostle, perhaps even a leading apostle, not a prostitute.
While some texts in the Bible seem to deny women a voice in the
Christian community, this texts helps spark the debate about the role
of women in the church.


i was just wondering why books like this werent added? a religion based on the bible should have all the points not just the ones that are fitting.

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CJK wrote:What are real christians?
Very choosy people.

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scorpia, you are free to believe whatever you like. Our ancestors didn't have the opportunity, they were forced to believe in Christ or die.

Or forced not to.
Nobody is telling you what to believe, but we have the right to defend ourselves from what Christians try to impose all the time and, of course, we have the right to question their dogma when they try to pass it as some objective truth
Ah, of course. Okay. No worries :)
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Tilia wrote:
CJK wrote:What are real christians?


Very choosy people.


Christians are an exceptionally opinionated group of people. However that is to no matter; any way you look at the Christianity's dogma it is the believer that loses. You are nothing but a meaningless little pawn in God's sadistic little game.

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McCulloch wrote:
McCulloch wrote:Even today, persons claiming faith, all claiming to be followers of Jesus, cannot agree on which books are divinely inspired. There seems to be no objective way to determine which ones are legitimate and which ones are evil deceivers.
Tilia wrote:There isn't one.
That would make it rather difficult to validate anything.
If Christianity is to be evaluated by purely objective data, yes. But it makes no claim for that, and indeed disclaims it- 'You will know them by their fruits'. The acquisition of Christian faith is primarily by subjective criteria; value judgements are at the heart of it, and one must accept Christian categories of value if one is to assess it. So one must accept that there is good and evil in the world, the light and darkness that are the first abstract concepts mentioned in Genesis. From there one can assess who is truthful and who is a deceiver. And in the context of identifying true Christian Scripture, it's not that difficult a task, in my view.

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But since it currently doesn't it can't be excluded. And if you do exclude it, it means, being someone who's opressing something yourself, you should also be excluded.
ok, simile:
If you have a Death Penalty for murder, you have it to PREVENT these people from killing again, do you understand? This does not mean that the ones carrying OUT the Death Penalty are also murderes. It means they are conducting the business of the goverment (people), whom have set out a law about killing people. This is not hypocrisy.


Could somoene else help me out explaining this to her in such a way she understands this? Picture game or something? Seriously.

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CJK wrote:What are real christians?
Real Christians have accepted the gospel and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Since the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, this indwelling grants them to ability to discern right from wrong, truth from error by direct access to the mind of God. No need for debate, logic, reason, analysis or evidence. Real Christians know the true church and can recognize other true Christians by the fruit of this spirit.
The rest of us, without this magical insight, are doomed to spiritual ignorance. Logic, reason and evidence simply cannot lead to these truths.
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McCulloch wrote:
CJK wrote:What are real christians?
Real Christians have accepted the gospel and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Since the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, this indwelling grants them to ability to discern right from wrong, truth from error by direct access to the mind of God. No need for debate, logic, reason, analysis or evidence. Real Christians know the true church and can recognize other true Christians by the fruit of this spirit.
The rest of us, without this magical insight, are doomed to spiritual ignorance. Logic, reason and evidence simply cannot lead to these truths.
So if someone attacks you and injures you, you see nothing wrong with that? Is anything wrong? If not, if pain and suffering are of no consequence to you, then Christianity is not for you.

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Or forced not to.
This ought to be something extremely rare, indeed. Especially in the West.
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McCulloch wrote:
CJK wrote:What are real christians?
Real Christians have accepted the gospel and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Since the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, this indwelling grants them to ability to discern right from wrong, truth from error by direct access to the mind of God. No need for debate, logic, reason, analysis or evidence. Real Christians know the true church and can recognize other true Christians by the fruit of this spirit.
The rest of us, without this magical insight, are doomed to spiritual ignorance. Logic, reason and evidence simply cannot lead to these truths.



I agree with you. Irrespective of whether or not God exists, you can demonstrate the effectiveness of religious practice. One who finds himself in disgrace can call for divine mercy, and receive the feeling it is vouchsafed. In the actual business of life, in grief, fear and sorrow, men women and children say their prayers and find themselves comforted. This continues, whatever the unbelievers may say about the sheer irrationality of the practice.

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This ought to be something extremely rare, indeed. Especially in the West.
Lol. I don't live in America or the UK, but more in a place that is much Eastern as western. You were talking about ancestors. Who's ancestors? What about all those Christain matyrs? What about Communism? Christians have been oppressed. Historical fact.
And you say it's rare. Why don't I just say that any Christians oppressing others is rare. I don't see it here, anyway. All I have seen is people bashing "fundies", literally even.
ok, simile:
If you have a Death Penalty for murder, you have it to PREVENT these people from killing again, do you understand? This does not mean that the ones carrying OUT the Death Penalty are also murderes. It means they are conducting the business of the goverment (people), whom have set out a law about killing people. This is not hypocrisy.
They set about killing people to stop people with some "bad idea" like drug trafficers and other muderers from killing many more. in effect, said govenments think just like you do. Not that you would technically kill them. But you would typically do to others what you don't want them to do to you.

In fact, the way you would plan to "stop them" would be worse; by forcing them, or oppressing them yourself. And that would not just be the governments and people you see as hypocrites, but everyone in the whole country, who have nothing to do with the ideas you hate so much.

People are deluded into thinking all Christans are bloodthristy and oppressive. What about all the ones you meet on the street? That little old lady who goes to church? What about anabaptists? What about jehovah's witnesses, who refused to do so much as bear arms? They are obviously not going to hurt anyone. And if you're going to go on about how Chritians bully other or oppress people, well, I have seen less of that and more people doing such things to religious people, enough to make me sick. #-o

There is no "wrong idea". And, BTW, if you think wrong ideas should be stopped, well I can see how athiesm could be a wrong idea. I guess that means I should stop you from being an atheist. Lol. But I can't, because unlike you, I try my best not to go around saying "atheists are bad" although evidence keeps on staring me in the face to contradict it. There's probably nicer atheists somewhere. i have tried to be open minded. Pity people like you can't be. I guess I shouldn't be either, if the way you act is so right.
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