faith wrote:Beta wrote:faith wrote:
Eternal life for instance. In the resurrection of the dead, the soul which is you, will be raised to life. You will receive eternal life with the blessings or an eternity of punishment in the lake of fire.
I cannot see anything remotely funny about an eternity in suffering.
Personally, I would not want anyone suffering being seperated from God.
Love Faith.xx
Please read Jh.5v29 again - in the resurrection only those who have done good will get eternal life and they who have done evil are resurrected to condemnation (death ). Those wicked will not be immortal (have eternal life) but as ordinary human beings will burn up in the lake of fire Mal,4v1-3. There is no eternal torment in hell. The wicked will die as if they had never been. Many scriptures tell us that punishment for sin is death - not eternal life in hell.
If you read Christ talking about lazarus and Dives, you will see they Dives ended up in a place of torment after physical death whilst lazarus ended up in the bosom of Abraham. Both places seperated by a great divide which cannot be crossed eithr way.
Revelation 20: 10.And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:14-15 (King James Version)
14.And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15.And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
How can they die if death and hell are cast into the lake of fire with them, and that this is the second death? How were Dives and Lazarus alive after physical death.
If Death has lost it's sting, and the word says, tormented day and night for ever and ever. Then clearly they have a death of being seperated from God for eternity and they do not cease to exist. But are tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The choice is yours and everyone elses.
Hell goes into the lake having given up it's dead for judgement.
Revelation 20:12-13.KJV.
12.And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13.And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
So your idea about hell and the judgement going into the lake of fire is not correct.
In Revelation 20:5. You see the first resurrection followed a 1.000 years later by the rest of the dead.
Love Faith.xx
Wow. Fancy that, Faith you've managed to find biblical contradictions. What makes your scriptures any more convincing that John 3:16? Jesus said this himself. He also said the words from the scripture that Beta quoted. I think he was more an authority on heaven and hell than the writers of the book or Revelations, wouldn't you say? Shouldn't we first take Jesus seriously before trying to take a very cryptic book like Revelations and suggesting that hell is a place where we will suffer for all eternity? I would choose rather to go with a more merciful God than a sadistic torturer, wouldn't you?
This scripture here is the only one you quote that suggests eternal torment. However it is a scripture talking about the devil in particular.
Revelation 20: 10.And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
This is what will happen to the devil. And he deserves it. Why should the same necessarily apply to humans? Remember the devil is not human like us and has far less excuses than we do for rejecting Christ. And have you ever considered that maybe, the devil being a different type of being to us cannot perish via fire?
Notice also that it says the devil that decieved THEM. So the decieved are not necessarily being thrown in there with him to suffer for all eternity along side him!
I suspect it may be you that is having trouble understanding scripture, not us.
Anyway, please explain why the scriptures you have quoted should be taken more seriously than Jesus himself who claimed that unbelievers would perish and not have eternal life?
I'd also love to know why you would choose to believe in such an evil thing as eternal torture and attach your God's name to it? How does that show a loving, just and merciful God? I think you'd have a lot of trouble even trying to convince other Christians that your version of God is loving, just and merciful.
