The Debilitating Effect of Taking Genesis Literally

[Diogenes]

The proposition for debate is that when one takes the tales of Genesis literally, one becomes intellectually disabled, at least temporarily. Taking Genesis literally requires one to reject biology (which includes evolution) and other sciences in favor of 'magic.' Geology and radiometric dating have to be rejected since the Earth formed only about 6000 years ago, during the same week the Earth was made (in a single day).

Much of the debate in the topic of Science and Religion consists of theists who insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis rejecting basic science. Most of the resulting debates are not worth engaging in.

[dad1]

Now even human reproduction "may have been" different than how it works today?

Yes, of course. Nature determines those things such as how many twins are born, how long a baby takes to grow in the womb etc.

This appears to be your explanation for virtually anything and everything that doesn't fit with biblical stories and personal religious views ... it could have been different in the past. The more you use that explanation, the weaker it becomes (not that it had any legs to stand on to begin with).

This appears to be your explanation for virtually anything and everything that doesn't fit with origin science stories and personal antireligious views ... it could have been the same in the past. The more you use that explanation, the weaker it becomes (not that it had any legs to stand on to begin with).

How about some actual evidence or reasoning as to why any of these claims of things being the same in the past should be taken seriously? All you've done so far is to simply state it as a personal opinion, without any justification whatsoever, despite your attempts to say it is science. I kid you not

[brunumb]

Now that is hilarious! All the water for Noah's flood came from space through wormholes, or from "under the earth" (whatever that means), then vanished back through these magical wormhole/windows after the flood. Got it. Makes perfect sense. Wow.

Nothing needs to make sense to you. Science was not here to see. Why comment on what you have no possibility of knowing anything about?

And there's no reason to believe the past was any different.

That is a two way street. If we can't use science to tell us anything about the past then what is left? A book of tales of unknown provenance telling us stuff with absolutely nothing to validate them? The Noachian flood story was debunked a long time ago and only die hard creationists still cling to it as being a literal event. The water issue is the least of the problems it faces.

[dad1]

That is a two way street. If we can't use science to tell us anything about the past then what is left?

Nothing! Absolutely nothing is left to discover the origin of all things. There is only one way. Science is not that way. Science does not know, and what has been called science falsely is a bunch of hot air based on belief alone.

A book of tales of unknown provenance telling us stuff with absolutely nothing to validate them?

The God of the bible is actually well known. Tested. Proven. Observed. Repeated.

The Noachian flood story was debunked a long time ago and only die hard creationists still cling to it as being a literal event.

That is foolishness and less than an old wive's tale. The flood happened just as the bible says and science has nothing it can say about it. Science is not even a player in the real origins game! Why? Physical science cannot deal with the creator. Science cannot deal with anything spiritual. Science does not know what the past was like and has merely slapped together a fabricated and faith based series of fables all based on the same belief.

The water issue is the least of the problems it faces.

I dealt with that issue, and all other issues can also easily be dealt with swiftly and decisively!

[brunumb]

One thing we can safely deduce is that evolving happened lightning fast compared to today! Possibly the living creatures or people evolved in their lives rather than by offspring as well? Who knows.

We can't deduce that at all when there is no evidence or basis for that conclusion. You are simply making stuff up and trying to retrofit conclusions dictated by religious beliefs. Try using the available evidence to lead you to a valid conclusion rather than creating unsupported scenarios to try and make your conclusion fit.

[brunumb]

The God of the bible is actually well known. Tested. Proven. Observed. Repeated.

That is far from the truth. It is only a matter of faith, and faith can allow one to believe anything regardless of whether it is true or false.

[brunumb]

Science is not even a player in the real origins game! Why? Physical science cannot deal with the creator. Science cannot deal with anything spiritual.

It doesn't have to. It deals with the real world we inhabit and all the data and observations we have proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the Noachian flood not only did not happen but it could not have happened. Ancient stories involving gods and magic are not even relevant.

[dad1]

We can't deduce that at all when there is no evidence or basis for that conclusion.

No. You cannot. I can! No one can using science though. Science is too small to cover it. I can because I use the record of the past God gave to man. I also use actual science and evidence. Both. Together. What does the evidence say about evolving? I would think that it says a lot of adapting and evolving happened. Creatures do seem to have changed a lot over time. I could even allow the possibility that some dinos evolved from birds. Maybe. Maybe not. I don't think we know. But if they did, then that happened in a short known time frame. It would only have taken at the most centuries, and possible only years or even months or maybe even weeks for all we know. My own opinion is maybe even days! So we have the two known factors in the equation. One is a lot of evolving did go on (all to created kinds of course) and the other factor is that all these changes happened in a short time. So don't give me that hooey about there is no evidence! There is just no evidence that the narrow minded belief system of science and it's disciples are willing to accept or even look at!



They simply make stuff up and trying to retrofit conclusions dictated by so called science religious beliefs.

Try using the available evidence to lead you to a valid conclusion rather than creating unsupported scenarios to try and make your conclusion fit.

Try admitting that only the beliefs foisted onto the evidence is what the cult of so called science uses to fabricate it's fantasy dream date models!

Pot, meet kettle.

[dad1]

It doesn't have to. It deals with the real world we inhabit and all the data and observations

The real world includes more than the little sand box science plays in. They specialize in ignoring evidence! They specialize in molesting evidence with their beliefs! There should be a heavy fine for them even using the word evidence!

we have proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the Noachian flood not only did not happen but it could not have happened.

We can't help you deal with your delusion when you do not give specifics on how you imagine anyone proved any such foolish thing.

Ancient stories involving gods and magic are not even relevant.

To what? Your head? They are relevant, those stories of the heathen nations and people's history. The stories of all the spirits from ancient Egypt for example prove that spirits were accepted as part of life and reality! The recorded lifespans of many many centuries in Sumer are also relevant, though obviously they must be measured and corrected using Scripture! You do not get to wave away evidence by trying to limit the definition of evidence to your little circle of belief based so called science. You honestly need to get over that big time. That is more dated than disco.

[dad1]

The God of the bible is actually well known. Tested. Proven. Observed. Repeated.

That is far from the truth. It is only a matter of faith, and faith can allow one to believe anything regardless of whether it is true or false.

Wrong I know Him. So do untold millions of others and we have seen him work. Over and over. You do not get to declare the experience of most of mankind with the spiritual world false! You only get to plead abysmal ignorance.

[brunumb]

No one can using science though. Science is too small to cover it. I can because I use the record of the past God gave to man. I also use actual science and evidence.

I had to stop there. No one can use science. but you can use science. That sums up your argument nicely. Self-contradictory nonsense.

"Science is too small" is a meaningless phrase. The scientific method was developed by humans in order to investigate everything with a built in mechanism to sift out biases and errors. Have you got something better as a replacement method?